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Old 25th August 2015, 18:02   #201
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Perhaps a good job that all the games weren't scheduled for today though!
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Old 25th August 2015, 18:06   #202
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Perhaps a good job that all the games weren't scheduled for today though!
Indeed.

The semi finals have just been drawn, and if Kent and Essex get through, both will be at home on consecutive days.
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Old 25th August 2015, 18:12   #203
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I find it interesting with the changes that are often discussed about moving T20 to a block in the holidays.
Looking at history, when this was the case then lots of matches got rained off.
Plus look at this year - again, rain in August.
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Old 26th August 2015, 08:14   #204
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Sure...for me and the other three people in the country who might conceivably attend a neutral one-day county match !
Who are the other two?
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Old 26th August 2015, 10:13   #206
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Well said, Our Mark.

I particularly like the idea of moving the RLC to May. Do that and it's only one short step from being back to the splendid B&H format.

It'll be interesting to see how this sits with Graves, mind....isn't he still bankrolling YCCC ?

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Old 26th August 2015, 11:05   #207
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Well said, Our Mark.

I particularly like the idea of moving the RLC to May. Do that and it's only one short step from being back to the splendid B&H format.

It'll be interesting to see how this sits with Graves, mind....isn't he still bankrolling YCCC ?
As I mentioned to you the other day, the counties rejected the Morgan Review proposal for 14 matches back in 2011-12. So why ask the same question again just three years later as it is almost certain to get a similar response.
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Old 26th August 2015, 13:18   #208
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As I mentioned to you the other day, the counties rejected the Morgan Review proposal for 14 matches back in 2011-12. So why ask the same question again just three years later as it is almost certain to get a similar response.
Voters around the country rejected elected mayors a few years back. Now they're getting them regardless...
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Old 26th August 2015, 16:49   #209
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But if I hadn't been totally hooked by watching Botham and Willis in 81 as a 10 year old on the BBC I wouldn't be posting here. And my children wouldn't be members at Trent Bridge. Most of their friends don't know what cricket is.
True. Of course a presence on free TV matters. The rugby world cup is coming up in a few weeks and i cant imagine they considered even for a second to put that on pay TV.

Unfortunately cricket is different. Test cricket is the pinnacle of the game but at the same time its the bulk of it. Give that away and there is nothing else left. And for the same reason, its not a spectacle. Its hundreds of hours of very few viewers.the bbc dont even want it.
I even doubt the effect if it was on free tv. Its not 1981. There is so much choice. Kids who might have given it more of a chance back then, would probably be on netflix after one maiden over. Cricket would cripple itself financially for little effect.

I think t20 is the way to with this. Surrey v Middlesex live on ITV friday night at 7. This would surely get more viewers and especially first time viewers.
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Old 26th August 2015, 17:00   #210
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Having cricket on sky isn't a problem. They give it good coverage and without it cricket wouldn't get anywhere near as much exposure. Even if BBC or ITV did show international cricket, there would be little appetite for them to show a large amount of domestic cricket.

The problem is that the broadcasters now seem to dictating to the schedule. The ECB and counties should plan the fixtures and competitions, and then Sky should decide how much of it they want to broadcast and negotiate exclusitivity rights. As it stands it seems as though the broadcasters are influencing which competitions should be played and when, which they have no right to do.

People who watch the games on TV are also contributing to it, as the viewing figures help determine how much Sky is willing to pay for rights and this money is then filtered down to grassroots cricket.
Sky care very little about Viewing figures. They pay according to a sports ability to attract subsribers. Anyway i dont see anything wrong with TV having an influence on when matches are played. Usually they will have similar interests. The idea that t20 qf should be played at the same time strikes med as madnes and not in the interest of anyone. High stakes t20 play-off t20 games should not be wasted like that. Few sports would do that.
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We sure are. Unfortunately, football on Pay TV hasn't proved to be particularly caring towards those who attend, so we have to be concerned as to the effects that Pay TV's increasing influence has on cricket watchers.
Well, i dont think pay TV has hurt those who attend football much. There are some monday night games but its probably one home game a year on average. The rest is played weekend afternoons. The bigger issue there is tickets proces but that would be the same without pay tv
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Well, i dont think pay TV has hurt those who attend football much. There are some monday night games but its probably one home game a year on average. The rest is played weekend afternoons. The bigger issue there is tickets proces but that would be the same without pay tv
It hurts those who have season tickets, plan their lives around the fixtures and then find some moved at relatively short notice to suit the TV scheduling. My wife ends up missing a couple of West Ham games each year because they've been rescheduled to times for which she's booked other arrangements.
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It hurts those who have season tickets, plan their lives around the fixtures and then find some moved at relatively short notice to suit the TV scheduling. My wife ends up missing a couple of West Ham games each year because they've been rescheduled to times for which she's booked other arrangements.
But football has also for a long time scheduled full league fixture lists for the weekends of the latter FA cup rounds, even though between 4 and 16 members of the premier league might not be able to fulfil their commitment.

There is never going to be a perfect solution to fixture scheduling and I actually think cricket has it OK just at the moment. There seemed to a period over recent years when county games were scattered across the week, the Pro40 was over in May, except for the final which was in September and the T20 over in June except for the final, which was in August.
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But football has also for a long time scheduled full league fixture lists for the weekends of the latter FA cup rounds, even though between 4 and 16 members of the premier league might not be able to fulfil their commitment.
I'm not talking about cup games but league matches moved from a Saturday to a Sunday several months after the season has begun, or from 3pm on a Saturday to 5:30pm.

As I wrote earlier, it's entirely realistic that broadcasters should want this. But, similarly, the idea that 'the fans wot go' don't get a shabbier deal is unrealistic.
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Sky care very little about Viewing figures. They pay according to a sports ability to attract subsribers. Anyway i dont see anything wrong with TV having an influence on when matches are played. Usually they will have similar interests. The idea that t20 qf should be played at the same time strikes med as madnes and not in the interest of anyone. High stakes t20 play-off t20 games should not be wasted like that. Few sports would do that.
I think their advertisers might care quite a bit about viewing figures. When I worked in TV advertising, the number of eyeballs the service could attract was the key stat our clients wanted to know.
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Smaller clubs in the Premier League may have their games moved occasionally but the bigger clubs rarely play on Saturday at 3pm. Fixtures are moved all over the shop.
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There is never going to be a perfect solution to fixture scheduling and I actually think cricket has it OK just at the moment.
I agree.

If you move something to create a benefit it just has a negative impact elsewhere.

There have been calls to move the RL 50 qualifying round to May, and I'm not against this, but the reason it was moved to July/August was to raise its profile. I know it has been said atteandances are low, but in the right place and time they're good - I was listening to Somerset-Surrey the other week and they said the ground was nearly full, and I am sure the Scarborough matches were well attended as usual.

If they move them to early season to benefit the t20 then the crowds will uniformly be low.
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I agree.
There have been calls to move the RL 50 qualifying round to May, and I'm not against this, but the reason it was moved to July/August was to raise its profile. I know it has been said atteandances are low, but in the right place and time they're good - I was listening to Somerset-Surrey the other week and they said the ground was nearly full, and I am sure the Scarborough matches were well attended as usual.
It'd be difficult to find a better time and place than today's QF between Surrey and Kent - a local derby, right in the centre of a huge city, during the school holidays, with the 2pm start allowing folks to arrive after work to enjoy the business half of the match.

Mind, there's the chance of the odd shower and people might be worried about getting their hair slightly damp.
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I agree.

If you move something to create a benefit it just has a negative impact elsewhere.

There have been calls to move the RL 50 qualifying round to May, and I'm not against this, but the reason it was moved to July/August was to raise its profile. I know it has been said atteandances are low, but in the right place and time they're good - I was listening to Somerset-Surrey the other week and they said the ground was nearly full, and I am sure the Scarborough matches were well attended as usual.

If they move them to early season to benefit the t20 then the crowds will uniformly be low.
I hated it when the limited over knock out rounds were weeks/months after the group stages. Invariably these formats are won by those with the momentum. I reckon if you ran the RL50 in May, then again with same format in August you'd get some very different results!
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This is somewhat confusing. He cant really move t20 all that much to summer and still be opposed to playing it in a block. Unless we are really splitting hairs. Six weeks is a block but eight weeks are not?

The players - over 80% - also want a t20 tournament like that citing better standards and overses players. I like their opinions in general. A massive preference for test and Championship cricket and quite a strong dislike for the one-day stuff.
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