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Old 26th July 2015, 12:05   #81
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And is 2017 the year we host the World Cup. If so, just how much money will Joe Public have to spend. Not the best year to add another competition!
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Old 26th July 2015, 12:08   #82
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I really hope this falls flat on its arse.

The ECB obsession with T20 is destroying proper county cricket. Look how the IPL is beginning to tear itself apart. The ECB were so desperate for T20 success they joined forces with Stanford.
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Old 26th July 2015, 12:28   #83
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Personally I find these changes very difficult to like but Sky's 40m means resistance is futile - always think there are 2 very opposite views on this with little middle ground, so debate is pretty futile too
Agreed. Two sides

1. People who care about cricket and having it accessible to as many people as possible
2. People who care about money and think that England is the be all and end all.

Golf attracted amazing audiences for the open but now even that has gone to sky. Sad times.
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Old 26th July 2015, 14:25   #84
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If it goes on Sky, what's the ****ing point?
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Old 26th July 2015, 14:38   #85
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If it goes on Sky, what's the ****ing point?
My thoughts exactly. I think a short 2 or 3 week 'festival' competition with all the England players and the best overseas players on BBC, ITV or any freeview channel would be brilliant and attract so many new fans to game that's losing too many. If it's all on Sky then it defeats the object. English cricket needs a new way to connect with the public and T20 is the perfect vehicle.
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Old 26th July 2015, 14:51   #86
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My thoughts exactly. I think a short 2 or 3 week 'festival' competition with all the England players and the best overseas players on BBC, ITV or any freeview channel would be brilliant and attract so many new fans to game that's losing too many. If it's all on Sky then it defeats the object. English cricket needs a new way to connect with the public and T20 is the perfect vehicle.
Exactly. But sky won't let it happen but will tell the 400k people watching that the full stadia shows success.
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Old 26th July 2015, 17:39   #87
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I really hope this falls flat on its arse.

The ECB obsession with T20 is destroying proper county cricket. Look how the IPL is beginning to tear itself apart. The ECB were so desperate for T20 success they joined forces with Stanford.
Unfortunately I suspect some sort of EPL will replace or shorten the Royal London One Day Cup, which would be a shame. It would be better if the ECb could try and convince international players to have longer stints in the Championship, as this might raise its profile and attendances. I'd rather watch Sangakarra in the Championship than in the T20.
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Old 1st August 2015, 07:10   #88
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ECB Visit Somerset Next Wednesday
http://www.somersetcountycc.co.uk/20...-on-wednesday/

Not billed as a consultation exercise, after all if there is any truth in the controlled leaks, it is clear that ECB don't want to hear members' view but there is a Q&A session preceded by a talk on 'leadership and future' of the game.

I wonder if this is a one-off or similar visits are planned to other counties? If not perhaps they have finally reached a stage in their planning for the city franchise competition when they realise that they will have to batter or bribe some areas into submission. Earlier, when the first leaks appeared, Somerset's Chairman took a very strong line saying, in effect that the County would have nothing to do with the plan.
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Old 1st August 2015, 08:54   #89
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My thoughts exactly. I think a short 2 or 3 week 'festival' competition with all the England players and the best overseas players on BBC, ITV or any freeview channel would be brilliant and attract so many new fans to game that's losing too many. If it's all on Sky then it defeats the object. English cricket needs a new way to connect with the public and T20 is the perfect vehicle.
Exactly. I cant see whats so terrible about this. A 3-week event with all the top players could be fantastic for cricket which really need a big annual high profile wimbledon-type event. County cricket can continue essentially unchanged before and after.

Of course there should be matches on free TV and l think counties do actually get that. They have certainly said as much. Unfortunately sky have a veto until 2019. But that doesnt mean such a tournament cant start life on pay TV. The Australien event began that way.
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Old 1st August 2015, 13:47   #90
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ECB Visit Somerset Next Wednesday
http://www.somersetcountycc.co.uk/20...-on-wednesday/

Not billed as a consultation exercise, after all if there is any truth in the controlled leaks, it is clear that ECB don't want to hear members' view but there is a Q&A session preceded by a talk on 'leadership and future' of the game.

I wonder if this is a one-off or similar visits are planned to other counties? If not perhaps they have finally reached a stage in their planning for the city franchise competition when they realise that they will have to batter or bribe some areas into submission. Earlier, when the first leaks appeared, Somerset's Chairman took a very strong line saying, in effect that the County would have nothing to do with the plan.
More power to the Somerset chairman then. If that's what they're doing, they may have more success at Warwickshire who have already called themselves "Birmingham".

Apart from Surrey and Middlesex, not many other counties have such a high proportion of their population concentrated in one city and would rightly fear alienating their core support. If Yorkshire became "Leeds", for example, supporters living in many other populous towns and cities within the broad acres would not be very happy.
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More power to the Somerset chairman then. If that's what they're doing, they may have more success at Warwickshire who have already called themselves "Birmingham".

Apart from Surrey and Middlesex, not many other counties have such a high proportion of their population concentrated in one city and would rightly fear alienating their core support. If Yorkshire became "Leeds", for example, supporters living in many other populous towns and cities within the broad acres would not be very happy.
Yes, I can't see such a change going down well in Sheffield!
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I don't believe that maintaining traditional county support is high on the ECB's agenda in this case. I'm not even convinced that 'widening the appeal of the game and filling the grounds with new fans' is the number one priority, although it's a powerful selling point. A 40 million windfall, shared around the counties, could prove a vital boost for many ailing clubs. Presumably, any overseas TV rights would see that pot increased (although I have doubts that the massive Indian market would be interested unless the top Indian players are allowed to participate). There would also be marketing opportunities. I'm viewing it as another step in the 53 year history of perpetually contorting a version of the game to raise the income to keep traditional cricket alive. And, as with every other step, I'm filled more with concerns than blind excitement.
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The thing that irritates me is that English cricket seems to be suffering from some sort of chronic affliction that there must be some sort of change to its structure perpetually on the horizon.

I can't recall a recent season - apart from perhaps 2005 - that ended with "All good (or at least okay - and why shouldn't that be good enough?) in English cricket. International attendances good to excellent, England team performance generally good, t20 Cup proving popular, solid agreements in place for TV rights, county academies and MCCUs producing good talent pool, fixture list about as good as we're going to get - see you all next season."

First we had the Morgan Review and its tortured progress to death by committee. Then another major review which promised a solid new structure to be in place until 2017. Now it seems that was all completely misguided and everything has to be dug over yet again.

Suggested changes to the County Championship which seem to be purely change for its own sake - three divisions, conferences, play-offs, regionalisation, even playing matches abroad - you name it.

Constant meddling with the domestic limited-overs competitions - leagues, knock-outs, 45 overs, 40 overs, 50 overs, teams invited (Holland, Scotland, Unicorns) only to be uninvited a few years later.

T20 Cup - despite proving popular and a big money-spinner, no-one ever seems to be satisfied with it. Play more matches, move it into a block in summer - no. no, the matches are too close together - spread it out from May - no, no, no - now it starts too early, move it back into a block, and now to top it all off the hair-brained franchise idea.

I'm not saying there shouldn't ever be change, but it should be measured and when really necessary. I think it's fair to say that fans in general like stability. Whether they want to dress up as a chicken vindaloo and scream their heads off in the Hollies Stand in July, or put on five layers of clothing and take a thermos to watch Derbyshire v Loughborough MCCU in April - and everything in between - they want to know that their regular cricket fix will be there for them next year - where they want it and when they want it. Constantly being told that sooner or later they're actually going to get something else altogether can only alienate people from the game.
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If Yorkshire became "Leeds", for example, supporters living in many other populous towns and cities within the broad acres would not be very happy.
Under a franchise system, Yorkshire would not "become" anything - they would remain as they are.

These would be new city clubs/teams. Yes they might hire Headingley as a venue, but they would not be part of Yorkshire CCC.
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You seem to have the details of what is being proposed. Any links?

Not sure Yorkshire CCC, now owners of Headingley stadium, would necessarily agree to it being used for that purpose.
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You seem to have the details of what is being proposed. Any links?
I'm only assuming as thankfully there haven't as yet been any official proposals.

But:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/...ry/820095.html

Here (in Australia), franchises are owned by Cricket Australia (who offered a 33% stake to private investors, though no one has taken up the offer) with all profits pumped money back into the sport. The Australian model would certainly be more palatable to English traditions.

Of course, the counties would be expected to be involved, in terms of providing venues, and making players available. The incentive is of course, as above, that they get money in return.

This is completely different to the 'Birmingham Bears', which is just Warwickshire CCC adopting a different team name for t20.

Of course this leads to your next question.

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Not sure Yorkshire CCC, now owners of Headingley stadium, would necessarily agree to it being used for that purpose.
Well, yes, that's at the heart of the issue.

And likewise would they agree to a big gap in the season to accommodate this (and you can guess how that gap would be created - less county games)?

What would supporter reaction be?

Would they play county games during the same period, be that Championship, the t20 Cup or RL 50, with terribly weakened sides?

But would they agree to these if it all stacked up to making more money?

IMHO it would be a real gamble. What if this was agreed and attendances and viewing figures were terrible and the whole thing were soon scrapped?
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The ECB need to think about the fans here, not the money. I doubt any cricket fan would really get behind a franchise th pie way they do their counties, and so other than cheering for sixes, the atmosphere would be lacking. Cricket is exciting when you want a team to win. Even when my county isn't playing, I often want other teams to do well or poorly to help my County qualify. Would I really care if the franchise I lived closest to did well? Probably not.
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According to Somerset contacts who attended the Q&A meeting, this was the ninth such occasion, so the previous eight counties don't seem to have noticed or at least reported anything that I have seen.

The Q&A meeting lasted an hour and was closed abruptly. Qs there were a-plenty, Anwers came there none except that the decision will be made known after September 4th.

Seems to me likely that those who claim to support the Yorkshire Chairman and ever greedy subscription TV will have a lot to answer for.
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Anwers came there none except that the decision will be made known after September 4th.
Decision regarding what?

The counties usually have a meeting around the end of August/early September to rubber-stamp the structure for the next season's fixture list.

Has there been some confusion leading to people thinking that the future of domestic cricket will be decided on that date?
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