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Old 11th August 2015, 22:05   #141
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The government decide events that have to be on free to air TV. As soon as it opens up then sky win.
Just not true. There is no requirement for six-nations rugby or Wimbledon (apart from finals) or match of the day to be on free TV. Thats a choice made by rugby, football and tennis
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Old 11th August 2015, 22:18   #142
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Just not true. There is no requirement for six-nations rugby or Wimbledon (apart from finals) or match of the day to be on free TV. Thats a choice made by rugby, football and tennis
That's right. See the very small list in this article
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/113...air-sport.html
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Old 11th August 2015, 22:22   #143
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I always miss odi cricket. A dumbed down version of cricket that still lasts eight hours is just ridiculous.

But sure, one specific series may go well. Perhaps it shows how nz have reinvented themselves through the IPL. It seems to have developed their players on the field as well as helping to secure decent earnings off it, solving a big problem for all smaller nations
How many times have India won the world t20 since Ipl. Same for Oz with big bash.
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Old 11th August 2015, 22:25   #144
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Just not true. There is no requirement for six-nations rugby or Wimbledon (apart from finals) or match of the day to be on free TV. Thats a choice made by rugby, football and tennis
Channel 5 have cricket highlights which is the same as match of the day isn't it?
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Old 11th August 2015, 22:34   #145
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The open championship going to sky was a massive turning point. Now it is officially a complete free for all. Golf will be even more closed to people with little cash than ever before. It is a massive shame.

Sky want to bank roll the t20 franchise so it strikes me as naive that they won't get the rights. If they don't then they might take their bat and ball home and leave cricket in the **** which is now effectively held to ransom.

Sad times.

Full stadia of ****ed adults demonstrating success when watched by 300k on TV strikes me as incredibly short sighted. We will not agree on this.
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Old 11th August 2015, 23:33   #146
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Just not true. There is no requirement for six-nations rugby or Wimbledon (apart from finals) or match of the day to be on free TV. Thats a choice måde by rugby, football and tennis
It was a choice made by cricket not to be on the list. The ECB lobbied heavily for test cricket to be removed from the protected list.

The government agreed to it after a deal was agreed which saw tests being shared by C4 and Sky. However this compromise was soon ignored and all home tests were hidden away from three-quarters of the population

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Channel 5 have cricket highlights which is the same as match of the day isn't it?
No it isn't. Cricket highlights are crap. Cricket is about the rhythm, the flow, the way batsman are set up by bowlers, the way batsman manipulate fields. You don't get any of this from highlights. Cricket's too long a game to summarise all it's intricacies in an hour's highlight package.

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The open championship going to sky was a massive turning point. Now it is officially a complete free for all. Golf will be even more closed to people with little cash than ever before. It is a massive shame.

Sky want to bank roll the t20 franchise so it strikes me as naive that they won't get the rights. If they don't then they might take their bat and ball home and leave cricket in the **** which is now effectively held to ransom.

Sad times.

Full stadia of ****ed adults demonstrating success when watched by 300k on TV strikes me as incredibly short sighted. We will not agree on this.
It's undeniably a good thing to save people from the tedium of golf.

Just because Sky are prepared to pay it doesn't mean that they should get exclusive rights.

Of course it will just end going to Sky, and exclusively. Just watch Death of a Gentleman. It's the same thing happening on a domestic level as is happening at international level, which is no surprise when it's the same culprits involved. The question must be for whom is cricket played? Is it for the sponsors, the TV companies as that **** Giles Clarke seems to think it is? He cares about what Sky and Waitrose think, not those "outside cricket" like the fans who pay and who are just there to be milked or the players who are just assets to be sweated.

I'd love to see cricket played at the Olympic Stadium in front of 50,000 fans.
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Old 12th August 2015, 01:20   #147
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I like the 50 over cup. A good competition which attracts decent crowds. I did like it more when it was straight knock out, but I still enjoy it. Point being, why should any county cricket have to reduced for franchises?
At some level, the mix of competitions must be looked upon as a portfolio of product offerings. The portfolio has to always be improving and more competitive or face the fact that something else will come along and take its place.

The principle to consider is to put your own offerings out of business through improved offerings before someone else's offerings put you out of business.
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Old 12th August 2015, 15:29   #148
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The open championship going to sky was a massive turning point. Now it is officially a complete free for all. Golf will be even more closed to people with little cash than ever before. It is a massive shame.

Sky want to bank roll the t20 franchise so it strikes me as naive that they won't get the rights. If they don't then they might take their bat and ball home and leave cricket in the **** which is now effectively held to ransom.

Sad times.

Full stadia of ****ed adults demonstrating success when watched by 300k on TV strikes me as incredibly short sighted. We will not agree on this.
Sky will have the rights because they already have them. They are offering to pump money into what they already own. That is not the actions of someone who believe they have the power to crush cricket as you seem to suggest. Its the action of someone under pressure. They have just fought a brutal and very expensive battle with BT sport over football rights essentially ending in a tie. Neither of those two can adford the other winning sole rights to the most valuable sports rights outside the football season. Sky offering money when they already have the rights for another four years shows that. The ECB holds all the cards.

I cant see how the open going to sky was a turning point. What else has gone since then?
The open essentially went because it is a looooooong event with poor ratings that the bbc didnt want. The coverage was apparently very poor with many golf followers believing the bbc wanted sky to come in. Its the same with test cricket. Free TV are quite simply not interested. A sport where there may or may not be play at any given time over 50 hours across five days is just impossible to deal with for them .

What they want is 80 minutes of rugby played in a fantastic atmosphere in a packed 80,000 stadium watched by ten million. Crickets problem is that they dont - yet - have anything like that.
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Old 12th August 2015, 15:42   #149
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I think we should all remember that nothing has been made official yet and until there is something concrete people shouldn't panic.

One thing you can say for Sky is that they do offer a good coverage of international and domestic cricket. Let's just hope they have the games best interests a heart and don't risk long term pain for short term gain.
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Old 12th August 2015, 15:46   #150
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It was a choice made by cricket not to be on the list. The ECB lobbied heavily for test cricket to be removed from the protected list.

The government agreed to it after a deal was agreed which saw tests being shared by C4 and Sky. However this compromise was soon ignored and all home tests were hidden away from three-quarters of the population



No it isn't. Cricket highlights are crap. Cricket is about the rhythm, the flow, the way batsman are set up by bowlers, the way batsman manipulate fields. You don't get any of this from highlights. Cricket's too long a game to summarise all it's intricacies in an hour's highlight package.



It's undeniably a good thing to save people from the tedium of golf.

Just because Sky are prepared to pay it doesn't mean that they should get exclusive rights.

Of course it will just end going to Sky, and exclusively. Just watch Death of a Gentleman. It's the same thing happening on a domestic level as is happening at international level, which is no surprise when it's the same culprits involved. The question must be for whom is cricket played? Is it for the sponsors, the TV companies as that **** Giles Clarke seems to think it is? He cares about what Sky and Waitrose think, not those "outside cricket" like the fans who pay and who are just there to be milked or the players who are just assets to be sweated.

I'd love to see cricket played at the Olympic Stadium in front of 50,000 fans.
Yes the ECB wanted tests de-listed and rightly so. The bbc and others are quite simply not interested. Tests will stay on pay TV and thats OK.

I havet seen death of a gentleman but i fear it will be the usual fare where highly relevant criticism is buried under much more that lacks reason. At least Clarke is finally gone.
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Old 12th August 2015, 15:47   #151
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Yes the ECB wanted tests de-listed and rightly so. The bbc and others are quite simply not interested. Tests will stay on pay TV and thats OK.

I havet seen death of a gentleman but i fear it will be the usual fare where highly relevant criticism is buried under much more that lacks reason. At least Clarke is finally gone.
Er, Clarke hasn't gone.
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Old 12th August 2015, 16:16   #152
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Old 13th August 2015, 16:02   #153
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bit of a protest at Hove last night

http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-c...ml?CMP=OTC-RSS
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Old 13th August 2015, 17:20   #154
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The government agreed to it after a deal was agreed which saw tests being shared by C4 and Sky. However this compromise was soon ignored and all home tests were hidden away from three-quarters of the population.
None of the terrestrial channels have ever broadcast Tests abroad anyway. They simply weren't interested and haven't got the bandwidth to broadcast them.

With SKY we have a sport that many cannot view. Without SKY we have a sport that would struggle to exist. It's funds are incredibly important.
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bit of a protest at Hove last night

http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-c...ml?CMP=OTC-RSS
I feel quite happy after reading that article. First of all that the 'no' campaign seems to be winning and secondly that the counties are supporting it.

Also, why was the banner taken down? It wasn't offensive. Fans have a right to to express their views.
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None of the terrestrial channels have ever broadcast Tests abroad anyway. They simply weren't interested and haven't got the bandwidth to broadcast them.

With SKY we have a sport that many cannot view. Without SKY we have a sport that would struggle to exist. It's funds are incredibly important.
The original compromise should have been stuck with.

When events are on free-to-air TV they attract far bigger attention. Just look at how much more prominent the women's world cup was, or the 2012 Paralympics.

They don't all have to be on terrestrial, but by getting that free-to-air coverage you generate interest. That boosts ticket sales, sponsorship revenue and even your subscription TV partner, so you can flog the remainder to them.

Cricket needs a terrestrial presence to market the game.
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Has anyone got any viewing figures to compare the 2005 and 2015 Ashes series?
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None of the terrestrial channels have ever broadcast Tests abroad anyway. They simply weren't interested and haven't got the bandwidth to broadcast them.
That's not entirely correct. Parts of the 1986/7 Ashes were broadcast live on the Beeb.
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The only foriegn match I remember being shown live on the BBC was an Ashes test in 1981 or 1982 ... they did it because there was a chance that England were going to win ..... yes I stayed up .... by lunch (2am) it was obvious that the chance had passed so we went to bed .. & I've a feeling they stopped the broadcast anyway
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The only foriegn match I remember being shown live on the BBC was an Ashes test in 1981 or 1982 ... they did it because there was a chance that England were going to win ..... yes I stayed up .... by lunch (2am) it was obvious that the chance had passed so we went to bed .. & I've a feeling they stopped the broadcast anyway
That might have been the final match of the 1982/3 Ashes, which England had to win to level the series and retain the urn?

I certainly remember watching in the early hours of a chilly November morning in '86 as John Emburey was taking Aussie wickets. The friend at whose house I was boozing kept pleading with me to keep my cheers down, lest I wake his parents. Pretty sure chunks of the Sydney Test were shown live too.
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