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Old 12th October 2017, 15:22   #581
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If Middlesex get the points back surely Somerset have grounds for legal action. What a mess the ECB have caused by letting Middlesex appeal.
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Old 12th October 2017, 15:31   #582
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I get far more bored with seeing part-time bowlers on for no reason than to get through overs quickly than I do with drinks breaks and delays causing the game to overrun.

The former is the real scourge of cricket.
Wouldn't everything be simpler if the games were just played on a straightforward timed basis, with fixed times for start, end and intervals, much as in Test cricket?

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Old 12th October 2017, 15:32   #583
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I get far more bored with seeing part-time bowlers on for no reason than to get through overs quickly than I do with drinks breaks and delays causing the game to overrun.

The former is the real scourge of cricket.
The drinks runs are ridiculous but there are other infuriating time thieves that have become the norm. Those two or three pointless practice lobs to mid-off that every bowler now performs when starting a spell, usually while the batsman is standing, ready to receive. On several occasions, I've seen bowlers do this and then walk towards the skipper to discuss field changes. The increasing number of occasions when a bowler is reaching his mark, turns to receive the ball and finds it still being feverishly polished by cover point. The delays to have protective gear fetched from the pavilion; I once counted a hiatus of eight minutes at Colchester while shin pads and lids were sought. Either bring the kit onto the field at the start of each session or do without close fielders for its duration.

Of course, the proliferation of seamers in modern county cricket doesn't help the over rate and some teams will be slower than others. Middx had two big blokes with long runs operating at The Oval in the match in question, while Northants fielded an attack of almost total seam (with at least one very big bloke) in the Notts game which cost them their penalty. This may be something sides now need to look at - by all means, play your big lumbering seamers but make the hell sure you cut out all the other factors that slow the rate.
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Old 12th October 2017, 17:40   #584
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The thing that I don't understand is continually throwing the ball back to the wicketkeeper. Why do it? OK, in arid conditions it may aid reverse swing but on lush outfields and green tinged wickets it simply takes the shine off the ball earlier - AND slows the over rate.
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Old 13th October 2017, 22:18   #585
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If Middlesex get the points back surely Somerset have grounds for legal action. What a mess the ECB have caused by letting Middlesex appeal.
Read in todays paper Somerset are considering legal action if Middlesex's appeal results in them getting their points back. This one's going to run and run.
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Middlesex relegation upheld.

Thanks goodness for that. Now we can get on with the important business of waiting for the fixtures to come out.
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Old 17th October 2017, 15:50   #587
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Middlesex relegation upheld.

Thanks goodness for that. Now we can get on with the important business of waiting for the fixtures to come out.
The correct decision, although the charade should never have got this far.

Hopefully, we'll have the first Middx v Kent game at Lord's for several years.
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Old 17th October 2017, 17:02   #588
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Middlesex relegation upheld.

Thanks goodness for that. Now we can get on with the important business of waiting for the fixtures to come out.
Probably wont be out until mid January seeing as much of October has been spent on arriving at the right decision.
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Old 17th October 2017, 17:24   #589
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Probably wont be out until mid January seeing as much of October has been spent on arriving at the right decision.
If my information on this is correct, they have drafted a fixture list based on the situation being as it stood and now stands. So that shouldn't happen.
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If my information on this is correct, they have drafted a fixture list based on the situation being as it stood and now stands. So that shouldn't happen.
Thank goodness for that!
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Angus Fraser has made a complete ass of himself over this, just as Kent chairman George Kennedy did last year when he demanded the ECB promote Kent in Durham's place and relegate Hants along with Notts.

Kennedy's foolishness made his position untenable and he was forced to resign.Gus Fraser is a more decent and honourable character than Kennedy, so I would not be surprised to see Fraser now fall on his sword.
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Kennedy's foolishness made his position untenable and he was forced to resign.Gus Fraser is a more honourable character than Kennedy, who was an unprincipled weapons-grade chancer, so I would not be surprised to see Fraser now fall on his sword.
I'm not sure why Gus should consider resigning. He was doing his job by fighting for his club's Div One position - on a dubious basis for sure - but the ECB validated his demands for an appeal by agreeing to one.
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I'm not sure why Gus should consider resigning. He was doing his job by fighting for his club's Div One position - on a dubious basis for sure - but the ECB validated his demands for an appeal by agreeing to one.
Absolutely agree. Any dispute needed to be sorted before the final game, but Middlesex thought they would be ok so couldn't be bothered. All teams went into the final match knowing what they needed to do. Somerset achieved their goal, Middlesex did not. To change anything after that would be a travesty.
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Absolutely agree. Any dispute needed to be sorted before the final game, but Middlesex thought they would be ok so couldn't be bothered. All teams went into the final match knowing what they needed to do. Somerset achieved their goal, Middlesex did not. To change anything after that would be a travesty.

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I'm not sure why Gus should consider resigning. He was doing his job by fighting for his club's Div One position - on a dubious basis for sure - but the ECB validated his demands for an appeal by agreeing to one.
He should consider resigning:
(a) from his role at Middlesex because there's no way Middlesex should have been relegated with the amount of talent they had and the minimal England call-ups disrupting them;
(b) from his role with England because:
(i) he is conflicted unless he resigns from (a);
(ii) the England selectors have sucked large monkey balls at selection for some time now

He should not resign because he submitted an iffy appeal to the ECB that was defeated.
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He should consider resigning:
(a) from his role at Middlesex because there's no way Middlesex should have been relegated with the amount of talent they had and the minimal England call-ups disrupting them;
You have to think someone has to go. I'd like to know who was the main influence behind Middx's decision to bat on and on and on against a wounded Essex side in April, setting them a preposterous 452 and leaving themselves insufficient time to bowl them out. I spoke to some Middx buddies the following week and they were already demanding blood.

Perhaps Middx's woes will compel other teams to adjust their play in a couple of ways - (a) stop faffing when on the field and (b) be a tad more adventurous and get those wins on the board early doors.
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(a) from his role at Middlesex because there's no way Middlesex should have been relegated with the amount of talent they had and the minimal England call-ups disrupting them...
The thing is that with a mere 6 places up for grabs for clubs to retain their Division 1 status, unless a team are clearly better than all the others then there is always the chance that a club with an "amount of talent" will slip into 7th place. In fact one might extend that to say that every season a club/clubs with an "amount of talent" will be relegated.

On top of that it's a mere 14-match campaign, so as Sof77 points out, you need to be looking to establish a healthy position quickly.

Of course, it still doesn't amount to a great season, but it's not like the same plummet from winning, say, a league of 20 sides, where you play 38 matches, to finishing 18th/19th in that league the following season.
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The thing is that with a mere 6 places up for grabs for clubs to retain their Division 1 status, unless a team are clearly better than all the others then there is always the chance that a club with an "amount of talent" will slip into 7th place. In fact one might extend that to say that every season a club/clubs with an "amount of talent" will be relegated.

On top of that it's a mere 14-match campaign, so as Sof77 points out, you need to be looking to establish a healthy position quickly.

Of course, it still doesn't amount to a great season, but it's not like the same plummet from winning, say, a league of 20 sides, where you play 38 matches, to finishing 18th/19th in that league the following season.
Sure it's a condensed season and a team can get hit by injuries, by England call-ups, by bad weather but I think Middlesex probably got off lighter than their rivals on those fronts.

That was a poor season by them - they were the only team to lose to Warwickshire and didn't just lose to them but also to Somerset, the other bad team.

The afternoon session on the 3rd day at Lord's v Essex was nearly the worst cricket I saw all summer - topped only by the evening session when they kept batting on for no reason.

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The afternoon session on the 3rd day at Lord's v Essex was nearly the worst cricket I saw all summer - topped only by the evening session when they kept batting on for no reason.

Insipid.
I went along for the first day of that. Middx 255-1 off 67 overs, having been put in. As the season progressed and Essex steamrollered opponents with increasing ease, I kept thinking back to that day and remembering my friend and I looking at one another glum-faced, murmuring stuff like "It's going to be a long hard season". Had Middx been a tad less ultra cautious and closed the deal, who knows how the Championship might have progressed?
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Funny this fuss was due to the match between Warwickshire and Hampshire being especially badly his by the weather. Otherwise Hampshire would have gone down and the points deduction wouldn't have mattered.
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