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Old 17th April 2017, 18:51   #81
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He's 23 so he isn't a teenage prodigy. Strange he's been cooling his heels in the 2nd team for 4 years. Looking at his profile you get the impression that Yorkshire regarded him as a workhorse bowler who could tie down one end.
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Old 17th April 2017, 19:00   #82
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He's 23 so he isn't a teenage prodigy. Strange he's been cooling his heels in the 2nd team for 4 years. Looking at his profile you get the impression that Yorkshire regarded him as a workhorse bowler who could tie down one end.
Yorkshire hardly short of a good pace bowler or two though, so it's not that surprising that one they've plucked out of relative obscurity has turned out very well. Okay, it's surprising just how well but it's over a short run so I wouldn't get more than mildly interested and quite impressed so far. Will be keeping an eye though.
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Old 17th April 2017, 19:11   #83
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Yorkshire hardly short of a good pace bowler or two though, so it's not that surprising that one they've plucked out of relative obscurity has turned out very well. Okay, it's surprising just how well but it's over a short run so I wouldn't get more than mildly interested and quite impressed so far. Will be keeping an eye though.
Short-term Willey increasing his pace might be of more interest to England. With the struggles to find a half decent spinner a decent left arm seamer would at least add some variety.
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Old 17th April 2017, 20:46   #84
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Short-term Willey increasing his pace might be of more interest to England. With the struggles to find a half decent spinner a decent left arm seamer would at least add some variety.
Has he added pace?
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Has he added pace?
It says so in the article above and I'm sure they mentioned how much quicker he was bowling in one of the broad sheets last week.
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Old 17th April 2017, 21:12   #86
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It says so in the article above and I'm sure they mentioned how much quicker he was bowling in one of the broad sheets last week.
Videos of his wickets certainly looked pretty sharp.
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Old 17th April 2017, 21:36   #87
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Following on from the earlier conversation on this thread about pitches and the toss. The other end of scale was in evidence at the Oval.

Makes me think the ECB have to sort cricket out. These days you hear that 50 over ODIs are boring as they are slow in the middle third of an innings, or the result is all too evident too early. But you can magnify any ODI boredom by 4 for a fourth day like today's at the Oval.

Maybe the ECB should scrap the first class counties and promote 4 days of double header T20 matches between city franchises instead.
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Old 17th April 2017, 21:47   #88
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Following on from the earlier conversation on this thread about pitches and the toss. The other end of scale was in evidence at the Oval.

Makes me think the ECB have to sort cricket out. These days you hear that 50 over ODIs are boring as they are slow in the middle third of an innings, or the result is all too evident too early. But you can magnify any ODI boredom by 4 for a fourth day like today's at the Oval.

Maybe the ECB should scrap the first class counties and promote 4 days of double header T20 matches between city franchises instead.

Plenty of good games elsewhere this season already.....
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Old 18th April 2017, 02:28   #89
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Following on from the earlier conversation on this thread about pitches and the toss. The other end of scale was in evidence at the Oval.

Makes me think the ECB have to sort cricket out. These days you hear that 50 over ODIs are boring as they are slow in the middle third of an innings, or the result is all too evident too early. But you can magnify any ODI boredom by 4 for a fourth day like today's at the Oval.

Maybe the ECB should scrap the first class counties and promote 4 days of double header T20 matches between city franchises instead.
Trouble is counties don't get penalised for producing pitches which are too good. In fact the ECB said they wanted good pitches and at the Oval they got one, so they'll be happy.
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Plenty of good games elsewhere this season already.....
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An excellent win for Essex that. Well batted chaps. Good toss to lose as it sounded like a traditional day three Taunton flat track.

Oh well. We never win in April but arguably that is why we have never won. Oh well.
Going down there Sunday morning certainly never expected the outcome to be so one sided, apart from one big LBW shout Cook was never in trouble and batted majestically.
Numerous bowling changes during the day just had no impact, as said above sadly the usual April problems from Somerset again
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Following on from the earlier conversation on this thread about pitches and the toss. The other end of scale was in evidence at the Oval...

...But you can magnify any ODI boredom by 4 for a fourth day like today's at the Oval.
It's easy to say a pitch should be like so-and-so, but the reality of preparing it is another matter. A groundsman is not a magician who can just conjure up a pitch that starts to turn mid-afternoon on day 3. No-one knows for sure how the pitch will go.

Also, a lot can hinge on so little in a game. In the game you mention, Lancashire were at one point 122-6, so if Clark had got a first-baller, they might have been 150 all out.

Then the way the game developed, Surrey were 66-2 following on early on day 4, so the game situation demanded that they bat the day out. That was just how the game panned out, but if you look at the first two innings both sides were dismissed, so it wasn't as if it was a game with someone racking up 500-2.
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Short-term Willey increasing his pace might be of more interest to England. With the struggles to find a half decent spinner a decent left arm seamer would at least add some variety.
Well, Mark Footitt can break 90mph and has now taken a five-fer in five consecutive Championship matches.
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Well, Mark Footitt can break 90mph and has now taken a five-fer in five consecutive Championship matches.
I would also look at him with a short term view that he may be a useful Ashes pick
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Prepare a turning pitch and bopara gets 2 wickets for 3 runs. Well played chaps. We always mess up the first two or three matches so never mind.
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The problem with this is the new toss rule was brought in to stop teams preparing green tops. So if that they want to produce seaming wickets then they have to be prepared to bat first on it. So if Somerset want to prepare deteriating already used wickets then the away team should get the option to bat first on it.
Doesn't really apply to Somerset though because of their ability to choke in the fourth innings.

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It's easy to say a pitch should be like so-and-so, but the reality of preparing it is another matter. A groundsman is not a magician who can just conjure up a pitch that starts to turn mid-afternoon on day 3. No-one knows for sure how the pitch will go.

Also, a lot can hinge on so little in a game. In the game you mention, Lancashire were at one point 122-6, so if Clark had got a first-baller, they might have been 150 all out.

Then the way the game developed, Surrey were 66-2 following on early on day 4, so the game situation demanded that they bat the day out. That was just how the game panned out, but if you look at the first two innings both sides were dismissed, so it wasn't as if it was a game with someone racking up 500-2.
The problem with modern pitches is that they don't wear, they play as well on day 4 as they do on day 1. Hence only 3 wickets falling on the final day.
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It's easy to say a pitch should be like so-and-so, but the reality of preparing it is another matter. A groundsman is not a magician who can just conjure up a pitch that starts to turn mid-afternoon on day 3. No-one knows for sure how the pitch will go.

Also, a lot can hinge on so little in a game. In the game you mention, Lancashire were at one point 122-6, so if Clark had got a first-baller, they might have been 150 all out.

Then the way the game developed, Surrey were 66-2 following on early on day 4, so the game situation demanded that they bat the day out. That was just how the game panned out, but if you look at the first two innings both sides were dismissed, so it wasn't as if it was a game with someone racking up 500-2.
Not suggesting it was a 500-2 pitch unlike the Lord's pitch Lancs played on last year.

Lancs were 67/5 before 122/6 but shot selection contributed to that.

Surrey were 66-2 but everyone there knew the result was a draw from well before that. Surrey could not collapse a second time 211/2 to 262/8 again shot selection contributed not the pitch. Lancs even started day 4 with Kyle Jarvis bowling to one slip. No chance went begging through that vacant area.

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The problem with modern pitches is that they don't wear, they play as well on day 4 as they do on day 1. Hence only 3 wickets falling on the final day.
agreed, that is the problem. 2 wickets 11:30 and 4:45 is not a contest - it's batting practice. It also makes you wonder when Anderson is wicketless on the 4th day at Chelmsford.

It is also evidenced by the number of succesful run chases there are these days. In those occasions when a fourth innings is actually reached, it makes the last day interesting. But in reality how many interesting fourth days are there? Mostly either it's over or it's dead.
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But in reality how many interesting fourth days are there? Mostly either it's over or it's dead.
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The fact is that there have been massive advances in the mechanical equipment for pitch preparation and maintenance, better understanding of the types of grasses to be used and better pest control.

The culmination is bound to be pitches that are more reliable and resistant to wear.
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