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Old 15th August 2017, 17:48   #41
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If there are doubts that England can compete at home against an opposition as recently poor as West Indies, then providing understrength warm-up teams might not be sufficient to guarantee success. Perhaps the ECB can smuggle an agent into the Windies' hotels to spike their meals? Or maybe frame half of the players for some dubious crime, meaning they can't put a team out and England win the series by default without having to risk taking the field? I'd like to think this England side was good enough to take on anyone but, if they're really that hopeless, then dirty tricks might be the only option.
I'm talking about all touring sides. I want England to win every match. I want England to smash every team by an innings.
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Old 15th August 2017, 17:56   #42
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I'm talking about all touring sides. I want England to win every match. I want England to smash every team by an innings.
I want a pet unicorn that can play 'Hava Nagila' on the bagpipes. I reckon I'll get my wish first. Because, if England are happy to play underprepared, weak opponents, how are they ever going to develop to the level of being a constantly dominant side?

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Old 15th August 2017, 18:31   #43
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I really don't care about Mickey Mouse county players being tired. Playing weaker county sides against touring teams means they're undercooked when they play the 1st test. Perfect.
What a charmer you are eh.
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Old 15th August 2017, 18:31   #44
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Why didn't the ECB for example field a combined team against the West Indies instead, using some red-ball players who aren't involved in the Blast?
Good point.

Would have been ideal for Hameed and a fair few other red ball specialists not currently playing.
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Old 15th August 2017, 18:48   #45
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I want a pet unicorn that can play 'Hava Nagila' on the bagpipes. I reckon I'll get my wish first. Because, if England are happy to play underprepared, weak opponents, how are they ever going to develop to the level of being a constantly dominant side?
It's quite simple really. I want England to win all7 home tests each year, handsomely. If that means we put certain things in our favour, like tour matches and pitches, let's do it. Surprised more England fans aren't as keen as I am to murder sides that come here.
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It's quite simple really. I want England to win all7 home tests each year, handsomely. If that means we put certain things in our favour, like tour matches and pitches, let's do it. Surprised more England fans aren't as keen as I am to murder sides that come here.
No, I get that, and it's a fair enough attitude. Just so long as you're happy to accept the thumpings that England frequently take in their overseas series, because that's exactly what the 'must win at home' policy helps to ensure (not just for England but for many of the Test nations).
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It's quite simple really. I want England to win all7 home tests each year, handsomely. If that means we put certain things in our favour, like tour matches and pitches, let's do it. Surprised more England fans aren't as keen as I am to murder sides that come here.
Would you rather win 7 home and 0 away or 6 at home and 2 away ?

I'd go for the latter.
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It's quite simple really. I want England to win all7 home tests each year, handsomely. If that means we put certain things in our favour, like tour matches and pitches, let's do it. Surprised more England fans aren't as keen as I am to murder sides that come here.
Not really, you know, sporting though, is it?

As well as being in the spirit of the game to help them prepare, these things cut both ways. Our next tour to the Windies might see a few 5am fire alarms etc if we don't treat their touring team with respect.
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Not really, you know, sporting though, is it?

As well as being in the spirit of the game to help them prepare, these things cut both ways. Our next tour to the Windies might see a few 5am fire alarms etc if we don't treat their touring team with respect.
Spirit of the game vs England hammering teams? Easy choice. Next question.
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Would you rather win 7 home and 0 away or 6 at home and 2 away ?

I'd go for the latter.
Countries have been playing weak domestic sides against us for years. Let's do likewise. We are by far the most accommodating country to tour.
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Spirit of the game vs England hammering teams? Easy choice. Next question.
What inadequecies in your life are you compensating for with this pathological obsession of 11 men who are nominally, if not actually English being better at hitting a ball with a stick than similar representive teams from other countries?
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No cricketer is to blame for the fact that people will try to make cricket something other than a game....because of this obsession, men who love the game of cricket will be unable to play it as a game. It will be pretended that victory or defeat in a Test Match proves something other than the fact that under given circumstances, eleven men of one country are a better blend of batsmen, bowlers and fielders than eleven of another. No more can be proved by a game of cricket. But men, perhaps even countries, will be reviled for the difference of a hundred or two runs between two cricket teams.

Being human and an Englishmen, I hope England will win: I hope rather more that I may see great cricket played by great cricketers. I had sooner see England lose with a good team than win with a bad one.


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Spirit of the game vs England hammering teams? Easy choice. Next question.
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I'm really looking forward to the first day/night test. I'm hoping the ECB continue in this direction as it'll mean hard working people like myself will finally be able to watch the lions share of a cricket match.
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What inadequecies in your life are you compensating for with this pathological obsession of 11 men who are nominally, if not actually English being better at hitting a ball with a stick than similar representive teams from other countries?
Are you serious? I'm actually shocked at the lack of true support for the national side. I'm not a Barmy Army member who does every day at every test but I do watch England home and away every year. The only thing I care about within the sport is 1. England do well 2. Surrey do well. I really couldn't give a toss about the West Indies and their match preparations on this tour. I reckon the vast majority of England 'fans' will agree with me. You carry on being a 'fan of the game'. It doesn't make you better than anyone or your opinions more valid.
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Are you serious? I'm actually shocked at the lack of true support for the national side. I'm not a Barmy Army member who does every day at every test but I do watch England home and away every year. The only thing I care about within the sport is 1. England do well 2. Surrey do well. I really couldn't give a toss about the West Indies and their match preparations on this tour. I reckon the vast majority of England 'fans' will agree with me. You carry on being a 'fan of the game'. It doesn't make you better than anyone or your opinions more valid.
I want England to win every game home and away and the latter gets neglected IMHO. Similar to last winter I can see us limping home winless from the Ashes with some posters defending the players, team , management with " ah but Saffers series ".

Who the Windies play in a warm up is a something their management should worry about - not England.
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Are you serious? I'm actually shocked at the lack of true support for the national side. I'm not a Barmy Army member who does every day at every test but I do watch England home and away every year. The only thing I care about within the sport is 1. England do well 2. Surrey do well. I really couldn't give a toss about the West Indies and their match preparations on this tour. I reckon the vast majority of England 'fans' will agree with me. You carry on being a 'fan of the game'. It doesn't make you better than anyone or your opinions more valid.
Do you not think most England fans would prefer the kudos of beating a strong opposition after a hard-fought series rather than walking all over a second rate side? That's why everyone is still chattering on about the 2005 Ashes, and will probably do so for the next 70 years.
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Like everyone else, I'm sure, what I'd love to see is a competitive series that shows WI are still a force in world cricket.

Don't you think the sad spectacle of a series of trouncings is far less satisfying than that?

It's not even about the team you support so much as having something that's entertaining. We all know one of the biggest flaws of Test cricket is that, although it nominally lasts five days, it can effectively be decided in one or two, leaving one or two of foregone conclusion... and that's not what you want to see!

That's not what I expect to see, but I'd love to see it.
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Like everyone else, I'm sure, what I'd love to see is a competitive series that shows WI are still a force in world cricket.

Don't you think the sad spectacle of a series of trouncings is far less satisfying than that?

It's not even about the team you support so much as having something that's entertaining. We all know one of the biggest flaws of Test cricket is that, although it nominally lasts five days, it can effectively be decided in one or two, leaving one or two of foregone conclusion... and that's not what you want to see!

That's not what I expect to see, but I'd love to see it.
I'm entertained when England win. My favourite moments of test matches is when we're completely dominant with the bat. Home vs India in 2011 was a good example. Often 350-4 going at 4.5/over. That's entertainment for me. I went to every test and loved seeing us batter them. I'd much prefer that than a test match defeat by 3 runs in a tense finish.
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Are you serious? I'm actually shocked at the lack of true support for the national side. I'm not a Barmy Army member who does every day at every test but I do watch England home and away every year. The only thing I care about within the sport is 1. England do well 2. Surrey do well. I really couldn't give a toss about the West Indies and their match preparations on this tour. I reckon the vast majority of England 'fans' will agree with me. You carry on being a 'fan of the game'. It doesn't make you better than anyone or your opinions more valid.
Of course I want England to win, but I would rather they do it by being at cricket, in games played with a respectful competitive spirit without the underhand crap you're advocating, accepting the slightly reduced chance of victory this might bring.

I don't think this makes me unusual, and as you've said yourself you seem to be a bit of an outlier in your "win at all costs" mentality.

I feel a bit sorry for you tbh as you seem to be missing what the point of sport really is.
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