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Old 16th August 2017, 12:13   #61
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... I really couldn't give a toss about the West Indies and their match preparations on this tour. I reckon the vast majority of England 'fans' will agree with me. ...
Regarding this latter claim, I doubt if you could do enough research to support it. It would also require some kind of non-circular definition of "England 'fan'", which I doubt it would be easy to devise. In the meantime it is simply a rhetorical flourish attempting to pass off your attitude onto the rest of us. You are entitled to your opinion, but I think you've made that opinion clear now, and I don't think you're doing a very good job of advertising it.

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I'm really looking forward to the first day/night test. I'm hoping the ECB continue in this direction as it'll mean hard working people like myself will finally be able to watch the lions share of a cricket match.
Best of luck with that, cabinboy. I suspect most hard-working people don't have much time in their day or evening for watching cricket unless they make special arrangements. Speaking just for myself, since my time off work is reckoned in days I would find it easier to take a day off work than I would to take an afternoon off work as well as an evening and night off my domestic duties. Though of course being hard-working might make it easier to afford a SKY subscription or a match ticket ...

Anyway, on lighter note:
The West Indies haven't got a hope in this series ... Or have they?
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Old 16th August 2017, 12:48   #62
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Isn't it a bit patronising to worry about whether the Windies are good enough ? We are a team that couldn't beat Bangladesh and were on a terrible run until about a month ago which resulted in out captain resigning.
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Old 16th August 2017, 13:07   #63
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I'm really looking forward to the first day/night test.
Me too. I'm particularly looking forward to sitting in balmy 12C temperatures in the final session on a Friday night. I might actually be tempted to go to the pub if the cricket isn't especially entertaining.
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Old 16th August 2017, 13:21   #64
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Isn't it a bit patronising to worry about whether the Windies are good enough ? We are a team that couldn't beat Bangladesh and were on a terrible run until about a month ago which resulted in out captain resigning.
somewhat true but having said that, teh windies are even worse.

I think it is important to remember the batting line up is very shaky and if the windies strike quickly, there could be some troubling moments.
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Old 16th August 2017, 13:39   #65
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R5 confirms one change for England- Stoners for KJ.
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R5 confirms one change for England- Stoners for KJ.
I know Woakes is just coming back from injury and TRJ has bowled very well in the last two games but I'm surprised by this move. I would have thought they'd want all members of their first choice attack to have some experience with the pink ball ahead of the Adelaide test.
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Old 16th August 2017, 15:39   #67
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Redmachine is entitled to an opinion and its one Ive heard quite often lately from all sorts of people- personally I find one sided matches boring and they usually end early which means we get little value for money.
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I want England to win every game home and away and the latter gets neglected IMHO. Similar to last winter I can see us limping home winless from the Ashes with some posters defending the players, team , management with " ah but Saffers series ".

Who the Windies play in a warm up is a something their management should worry about - not England.
Which might have been avoided had South Africa followed up their win at Trent Bridge with a competitive tour game and subsequently not turned up at The Oval seemingly unready for a Test Match. Decent warm up games are important not just to give the tourists a fair chance of preparing for themselves, but to ensure England are properly tested. Trouncing a weakened side tells you nothing about your own team; you need your players thoroughly examined, your team's character put to the test. Thank god Philander managed to stay just about fit for three Tests, else Jennings might have squeaked enough runs to establish an Ashes place.

Redmachine is correct that flimsy warm-ups are a global issue. But perhaps cricket's Mother Country should be taking a lead in changing this? It might make long term commercial sense to beef up the standard of opposition too. I noticed yesterday that tickets for the Lord's Test v WI are 60% cheaper than those for the same seats at The Ashes two years ago. That would have been unimaginable twenty years ago.

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Isn't it a bit patronising to worry about whether the Windies are good enough ? We are a team that couldn't beat Bangladesh and were on a terrible run until about a month ago which resulted in out captain resigning.
It's a fair point but Windies' recent Test record has been dire and they've struggled to look even county standard on the tour so far. I hope they can give England a real run for their money.

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Come on, team. Stop worrying about the demise of the last thing that was any good about these islands, and smell the gas.
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Old 16th August 2017, 17:18   #70
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Come on, team. Stop worrying about the demise of the last thing that was any good about these islands, and smell the gas.
I've added a capital letter to help you out:
Adding a S might have been more helpful
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Old 16th August 2017, 19:15   #71
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The batting side (whoever loses the toss) will be 45/7 at lunch...or is it tea? End of the first session anyway.
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The batting side (whoever loses the toss) will be 45/7 at lunch...or is it tea? End of the first session anyway.
The breaks are still called lunch and tea. Stupidly.
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The breaks are still called lunch and tea. Stupidly.
In Australia I think they had dinner and supper, or something along those lines, with the 20 and 40 minute intervals the other way round. Is it not standardised for all around the world?
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Old 16th August 2017, 20:38   #75
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While I agree playing better sides in warm-ups will help touring sides prepare, my main gripe is that it should just happen because it's the right thing to do and good for cricket overall. I can't believe Derbyshire's players are particularly exhausted and need the rest.

As for what other sides do, so what? The British seem to have this peculiar desire currently to see the worst in other nations then aspire to be even worse.
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While I agree playing better sides in warm-ups will help touring sides prepare, my main gripe is that it should just happen because it's the right thing to do and good for cricket overall.
It's just a win-win, isn't it?
  • Touring teams are treated with respect.
  • County spectators are given a better contest for their money.
  • Touring teams are better prepared for the international matches meaning:
    1. More enthralling cricket for those who pay a king's ransom to watch it
    2. Improved commercial appeal
    3. The England team is given the tough work out it sorely needs in order to improve
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In Australia I think they had dinner and supper, or something along those lines, with the 20 and 40 minute intervals the other way round. Is it not standardised for all around the world?
Not according to the article I read in the guardian. I wonder if Yorkshire Tea influenced the ECB...
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Old 17th August 2017, 08:57   #79
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Redmachine is entitled to an opinion and its one Ive heard quite often lately from all sorts of people- personally I find one sided matches boring and they usually end early which means we get little value for money.
Agreed. I was at Lords when Robert "the don" Key was making his double hundred and England scored nearly 400 runs in the day. It was boring as L, think it may even have tipped it down that evening as I made my way home.

In one sided contests you can spend a lot of the time praying the weak side puts up a fight. Of course those suggesting we should beware of deshis bearing gifts may be proven right, predicting the unlikely can often be a trumpet blowing feather in predictors caps, but the deshis are decent, England were weak and nave (selection amongst others), and that was in Bangladesh.

Would be good if one of the Tests were a contest for sure, maybe good for the game and the tourists if they win a Test.
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While I agree playing better sides in warm-ups will help touring sides prepare, my main gripe is that it should just happen because it's the right thing to do and good for cricket overall. I can't believe Derbyshire's players are particularly exhausted and need the rest.

As for what other sides do, so what? The British seem to have this peculiar desire currently to see the worst in other nations then aspire to be even worse.
The home side's board should put out representative XIs of young, talented, and those hungry for a place in the home side's team.

They are the ones with something to play for, it means counties/states/whatevers lose only 1-2 players, and the players selected get valuable experience playing a Test side. Win-Win in my book.

What Derby and other sides do in putting out second XIs achieves very little, almost like a friendly between Champions of Europe and some 10th tier English club in football, they get to play, score (heaps) and nobody gains much more than maybe fitness and something a bit better than a training game (or nets in cricket equivalence I guess)
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