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Old 17th August 2017, 08:06   #81
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Do you not think most England fans would prefer the kudos of beating a strong opposition after a hard-fought series rather than walking all over a second rate side? That's why everyone is still chattering on about the 2005 Ashes, and will probably do so for the next 70 years.
Agree, and why 'Botham's Ashes' are still famous after 36 years........

Ask who scored a hundred in the Sri Lanka game 10 years later and I doubt nearly as many would remember. I do happen to remember DeFreitas took 7/70, and some guy Ratnayake (?) was pretty handy for them, possibly took a 5wi himself, but not much else.

Answer : Stewart scored 113no 1st innings, Gooch 174no 2nd innings (had to look that up, oh and Ratnayake scored 52 to go with his 5/69)
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Old 17th August 2017, 08:26   #82
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There were a few instances, in the not so distance past, of players being given to county sides for tourist matches. Andrew Strauss guested for Somerset in 2011 in a bid to nail down some form before the series against India. James Taylor, seeking to get back into the Test team, played for Sussex in their match against Australia in 2013. The standard of the recent Essex side that hosted WI might, therefore, have been improved if, say, Mark Stoneman - who must have been high on the selectors' list - had been added as a guest. Of course, that would have given the touring bowlers a look at his technique but it cuts both ways and the overall benefits would have outweighed the negatives.
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Old 17th August 2017, 08:32   #83
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somewhat true but having said that, teh windies are even worse.

I think it is important to remember the batting line up is very shaky and if the windies strike quickly, there could be some troubling moments.

The two teams are quite evenly matched. Both have poor batting line ups which are redeemed by lower order runs. And both have strength in their pace bowling. Ali could well be the difference between the two sides. But I reckon the West Indies are going to surprise their doubters. Watch out for Alzarri Joseph if he plays.
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Old 17th August 2017, 09:42   #84
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In Australia I think they had dinner and supper, or something along those lines, with the 20 and 40 minute intervals the other way round. Is it not standardised for all around the world?
Surely, at that time, they'll be having a few pints and maybe a packet of crisps during the second interval.
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Old 17th August 2017, 10:15   #85
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In Australia I think they had dinner and supper, or something along those lines, with the 20 and 40 minute intervals the other way round. Is it not standardised for all around the world?
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In Adelaide, where Australia played day-night Test matches against New Zealand in 2015 and South Africa the following year, and where England will appear in another this December, the breaks were switched, with the first becoming shorter and known as tea, and the second – coming, as it does, at approximately dinnertime – stretching longer and renamed dinner.

“We decided in discussions with the ECB not to do that, because we think that would be more confusing,” says Neil Snowball, Warwickshire’s chief executive and veteran of both 2012 Olympic and 2015 Rugby World Cup organising committees. “We’ll be starting at 2pm, have the first two-hour session and our main interval will be the first interval, which we’ll call ‘lunch’, even though it’s at 4 o’clock, then we’ll have the second break between 6.40pm and 7pm which again we’ll call ‘tea’. It’s just to avoid confusion. We don’t know if this is going to be the first of many or whether it’s a one-off but we thought it was easier to explain.”

I prefer the Australian way.
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Old 17th August 2017, 10:32   #86
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The two teams are quite evenly matched.
LOL!

The Windies would die for batsmen like Root and Cook. And are you really saying their middle order is the same as Bairstow, Stokes and Moeen?

And in English conditions you expect their attack to be comparable with ours? Bizarre.
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Old 17th August 2017, 10:40   #87
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Surely, at that time, they'll be having a few pints and maybe a packet of crisps during the second interval.
And a couple of B&H, I hope.
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Old 17th August 2017, 11:01   #88
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“We’ll be starting at 2pm, have the first two-hour session and our main interval will be the first interval, which we’ll call ‘lunch’, even though it’s at 4 o’clock, then we’ll have the second break between 6.40pm and 7pm which again we’ll call ‘tea’. It’s just to avoid confusion.


Yeah that's the article I read.
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Old 17th August 2017, 11:07   #89
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In Adelaide, where Australia played day-night Test matches against New Zealand in 2015 and South Africa the following year, and where England will appear in another this December, the breaks were switched, with the first becoming shorter and known as tea, and the second – coming, as it does, at approximately dinnertime – stretching longer and renamed dinner.

“We decided in discussions with the ECB not to do that, because we think that would be more confusing,” says Neil Snowball, Warwickshire’s chief executive and veteran of both 2012 Olympic and 2015 Rugby World Cup organising committees. “We’ll be starting at 2pm, have the first two-hour session and our main interval will be the first interval, which we’ll call ‘lunch’, even though it’s at 4 o’clock, then we’ll have the second break between 6.40pm and 7pm which again we’ll call ‘tea’. It’s just to avoid confusion. We don’t know if this is going to be the first of many or whether it’s a one-off but we thought it was easier to explain.”

I prefer the Australian way.
Too confusing? If the Aussies can manage it without difficulty, it's hardly a complex problem.
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Old 17th August 2017, 11:16   #90
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I can't believe Derbyshire's players are particularly exhausted and need the rest.
No-one said they were exhausted. What they had, though, was a vital Blast match just 2 days after that tour game.

Under the very able guidance of John Wright, they've finally become competitive in the format, and no doubt those days leading up to the game would have been spent with detailed preparations on and off the field for their cup game.

There was just no way that those players would instead spend that time playing a pink-ball game against the West Indies. It was ridiculous to schedule them to do that.
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Are we going to have a separate thread for the first test?

I'm going to this one. Saturday night at Edgbaston. Ergo, I hope England win the toss and bat so that there's still some drama come the third day.
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Old 17th August 2017, 13:25   #92
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No-one said they were exhausted. What they had, though, was a vital Blast match just 2 days after that tour game.

Under the very able guidance of John Wright, they've finally become competitive in the format, and no doubt those days leading up to the game would have been spent with detailed preparations on and off the field for their cup game.

There was just no way that those players would instead spend that time playing a pink-ball game against the West Indies. It was ridiculous to schedule them to do that.
Well it would be better if t20 and first class games weren't so interspersed, yes, but they'd hardly be unique in having to play one then another in close succession. Overstating the issue.
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The two teams are quite evenly matched. Both have poor batting line ups which are redeemed by lower order runs. And both have strength in their pace bowling. Ali could well be the difference between the two sides. But I reckon the West Indies are going to surprise their doubters. Watch out for Alzarri Joseph if he plays.
Unless West Indies have dramatically improved their fielding, that and lower order batting will be where England have the edge.
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Old 17th August 2017, 19:11   #94
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Boycott said earlier that at least 90% of those watching want Windies to do well. We know what Redmachine thinks, but is that a fair reflection? With England 220 for 2 I'm hoping it's not like this all series
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Watch out for Alzarri Joseph if he plays.
Can he bat?
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Alzarri Joseph is a club bowler.
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Boycott said earlier that at least 90% of those watching want Windies to do well. We know what Redmachine thinks, but is that a fair reflection? With England 220 for 2 I'm hoping it's not like this all series
Me too, but I think it may be.

It strikes me that this West Indies side would struggle to get promoted from division 2 of the County Championship.

Plenty of opportunities for some of our players to improve their averages, however.
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Me too, but I think it may be.

It strikes me that this West Indies side would struggle to get promoted from division 2 of the County Championship.

Plenty of opportunities for some of our players to improve their averages, however.
In terms of some English player averages they are on the low side because we play relatively few tests against this type of opposition. Personally I'd rather have players with lower averages and more competitive cricket. I've paid for a couple of days of this series but unless the next West Indies series looks closer I won't next time.
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Call up Rahkeem Cornwall. At least he'd make things more entertaining.
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ODIs and 20/20

Squad: Sunil Ambris, Devendra Bishoo, Miguel Cummins, Chris Gayle, Jason Holder (captain), Kyle Hope, Shai Hope, Alzarri Joseph, Evin Lewis, Jason Mohammed (Vice Captain), Ashley Nurse, Rovman Powell, Marlon Samuels, Jerome Taylor and Kesrick Williams.

Those three should have been in the Test side as well as Chanderpaul helping the younger batsmen.

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