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Old 4th September 2017, 11:55   #81
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The superiority of Aussie spinners to English ones? Even though Mo took a 5fer out there last year and Rashid didn't do that badly there.
Probably.

Struggling to recall the last time a non-SC side won a series in Asia. Was it us in India in 2012?
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Old 4th September 2017, 12:08   #82
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Probably.

Struggling to recall the last time a non-SC side won a series in Asia. Was it us in India in 2012?
Windies beat Bangladesh 2-0 in the same year in Bangladesh, although this is before Banglas can be said to have picked up their game.

Banglas seem to have stabilised pretty well. 214-5 a few moments ago.
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Struggling to recall the last time a non-SC side won a series in Asia. Was it us in India in 2012?
South Africa won a series against Pakistan in U.A.E but not sure when that was.
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What's your point?
That it isn't just "non Asian" teams that are crap against spin in the subcontinent as per your point.
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That it isn't just "non Asian" teams that are crap against spin in the subcontinent as per your point.
I thought you were an admirer of the brilliant spin bowlers the Aussies have?

See how the tourist's batsmen fair first, but looks like advantage Tigers.
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South Africa won a series against Pakistan in U.A.E but not sure when that was.
I thought that you guys had won their too but I've only found out that you drew with them 0-0 in 2010-11 and drew 1-1 in 2013-14
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I thought you were an admirer of the brilliant spin bowlers the Aussies have?
Lyon might go above Y Shah in the test rankings after this match.
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Lyon might go above Y Shah in the test rankings after this match.
Wouldn't be undeserved. He's a very underrated bowler, as much by his own selectors and media as anything.
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deshis did well to recover from 117/5 to post 305 thanks to good middle order resistance.

Two key men already at the crease for the aussies, their batting looks shall we say 'vulnerable'
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Probably.

Struggling to recall the last time a non-SC side won a series in Asia. Was it us in India in 2012?
Last wins in :

Pakistan/UAE = South Africa 1-0 (07/08)
Bangladesh = West Indies 2-0 (12/13)
India = England 2-1 (12/13)
Sri Lanka = South Africa 1-0 (14/15)


England's was the last win by any touring side in India. The West Indies series in Bangladesh started two days before England's series in India and England's tour ended in December.

So it was South Africa, not the tour Maty was thinking of, but more recent by far.
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Australia look in a good position at the moment reaching 173-2 a few moments ago. Warner has seemingly put out of the way his previous aversion to batting in Asia. Could be good for a second successive century after a fine knock in a losing cause last test.
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Last wins in :

Pakistan/UAE = South Africa 1-0 (07/08)
Bangladesh = West Indies 2-0 (12/13)
India = England 2-1 (12/13)
Sri Lanka = South Africa 1-0 (14/15)


England's was the last win by any touring side in India. The West Indies series in Bangladesh started two days before England's series in India and England's tour ended in December.

So it was South Africa, not the tour Maty was thinking of, but more recent by far.
Other than Sri Lanka's somewhat surprising win in England a couple of years ago, how many times has an Asian side won a series in Eng, Aus or SA this Century?

I can think of India winning here in 2007 (ably assisted by the weather and a key toss), other than that, I'm struggling to think of any.
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Sri Lanka drew in '06 with Murali didn't they and obviously Pakistan got the draw last year.

Wins are few and far between though.
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Superb effort by Aus today. Especially Lyon and Warner who I've been regularly critical of in Asia conditions. Shows what I know. Aus must back themselves in now for a 100+ first inngs lead.
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Superb effort by Aus today. Especially Lyon and Warner who I've been regularly critical of in Asia conditions. Shows what I know. Aus must back themselves in now for a 100+ first inngs lead.
Yours to lose I think, although the forecast looks stormy.
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Other than Sri Lanka's somewhat surprising win in England a couple of years ago, how many times has an Asian side won a series in Eng, Aus or SA this Century?

I can think of India winning here in 2007 (ably assisted by the weather and a key toss), other than that, I'm struggling to think of any.
England (since 2000)
2007 India won 1-0
2014 Sri Lanka 1-0

Five touring sides have won a series in England (against England) since and including 2000, compared to THIRTEEN in the 80s and 90s... To be fair that did include some good sides like West Indies (x3), Pakistan (x3) and Australia (x3) to make up 9 out of 13.

Australia (since 2000)
n/a

Four touring sides have won a series in Australia since and including 2000, South Africa three times and England once. Only five sides won a series in Australia in the 80s and 90s, and no side between West Indies 92/93 and South Africa 08/09 - not surprising given their strength in the 90s and 00s.

South Africa (since 2000)
n/a

Six touring sides have won a series in South Africa since and including 2000, Australia four times and England twice. Only one side did it in the 90s (aussies) so a total of seven home series defeats since their return from exile and no side other than them two.
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aussies poised to try and level the series, no 5wi for Shakib this innings
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Thanks Rebel for the stats. No great surprises there, although will be interesting to see if SA can keep their run going given that their side is looking distinctly weaker now than the last 20 years (apart from Rabada).

Funny how those 16 years where Australia didn't lose at home pretty much mirror the careers of Warne and McGrath.
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Huge test for Bangladesh from here with Aus leading by 70 odd and with power to still add. Let's see how much they have come on.
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I reckon Bird would have made a difference. And some of those QL billys too instead of those NSW softies.
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