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Old 22nd August 2017, 17:46   #21
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Maybe you get rid of the toss and give the away team a choice to bat or bowl. The problem with divisions is the money will end up with the bigger teams rather than used to aid the developing ones.
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Old 22nd August 2017, 18:50   #22
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Maybe you get rid of the toss and give the away team a choice to bat or bowl. The problem with divisions is the money will end up with the bigger teams rather than used to aid the developing ones.
Isn't that the case now anyway?
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Old 22nd August 2017, 19:12   #23
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Maybe you get rid of the toss and give the away team a choice to bat or bowl. The problem with divisions is the money will end up with the bigger teams rather than used to aid the developing ones.
Thats why a test championship is the answer.

All other tests count for seeding points for this event.
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Old 22nd August 2017, 19:37   #24
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The trouble with test cricket is the fact it's scheduled to last 5 days.

Therefore it's not easy to schedule a proper league or a test championship. Even a knockout World Cup wouldn't work.

Test cricket was great 30 years ago. A good day out at the ground and even pleasant enough to watch on tv. The multi-media age has taken all the romance out of it now. Everything comes down to money.
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Old 23rd August 2017, 00:45   #25
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The trouble with test cricket is the fact it's scheduled to last 5 days.

Therefore it's not easy to schedule a proper league or a test championship. Even a knockout World Cup wouldn't work. ...
Maybe it could though, if matches in the same round were played concurrently.
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Old 23rd August 2017, 08:32   #26
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Could have a structured points system which factors in series length and home advantage. Could either be two, one for home and one for away results, or in one.

Something like

Win away series by 2+ Test margin = 10 points
Win away series by 1 Test margin = 9 points
Win home series by 2+ Test margin = 8 points
Draw series away = 8 points

and so on, that's just a 'rough draft' to give ideas

You could have a -1 point per Test deduction for every Test under 3 Tests ie win 1-0 away in a one-off Test would get you 7 points. You could go more specific so say home win 2-1 = X points, away win 2-1 = Y points, away loss 1-2 = Z points (or X points if valued at the same achievement level as a 2-1 home win)

Takes away any difference in series length, you'd get the same for winning 3-0 or 2-0 in a 5 Test series as in a 3 Test series, get less points if winning 1-0 or 2-0 in a 1 or 2 Test series etc
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Old 23rd August 2017, 08:36   #27
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The trouble with test cricket is the fact it's scheduled to last 5 days.

Therefore it's not easy to schedule a proper league or a test championship. Even a knockout World Cup wouldn't work.

Test cricket was great 30 years ago. A good day out at the ground and even pleasant enough to watch on tv. The multi-media age has taken all the romance out of it now. Everything comes down to money.
Maybe redesign it to last 4 days for 'league' or championship matches, far stricter clampdowns on over rates making them bowl them, even if needing to use floodlights (little sense having the option and not using it because they're living in the dark ages, excuse the pun)

Or go with a format I'd come up with 25 or so years ago, 100 overs per innings per side in an extended but still limited overs format. Set either 20 or 25 overs per bowler, both sides can bat up to 100 overs but not more, maybe 2-3 new balls at the fielding side's discretion as to when they use it, and work out the maximum you expect the game to last.

If based on getting a 50 over a side game into one day then why not 400 overs (max) into 4........? Speaks volumes that they get ODIs into one day, yet can't bowl 90 in a day.

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Old 23rd August 2017, 08:38   #28
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Maybe it could though, if matches in the same round were played concurrently.
Can you see TV or anyone involved agreeing to that....?
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Old 24th August 2017, 09:56   #29
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I don't think a league system would improve anything. There have always been mismatches in Test cricket, so it's nothing new. What I'd rather the ICC did was either withdraw funding or status for teams that refuse to put out their best players, or offer minimum central contract funding for each of the nations bar England, India and Australia. They could easily afford to give each board enough out of their reserves to pay 15 players a guaranteed 100,000 as a minimum wage, which the board themselves add their own pay scale on top. Hopefully that would concentrate players' minds on international cricket, with a window for the IPL.
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Old 24th August 2017, 10:18   #30
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I don't think a league system would improve anything. There have always been mismatches in Test cricket, so it's nothing new. What I'd rather the ICC did was either withdraw funding or status for teams that refuse to put out their best players, or offer minimum central contract funding for each of the nations bar England, India and Australia. They could easily afford to give each board enough out of their reserves to pay 15 players a guaranteed 100,000 as a minimum wage, which the board themselves add their own pay scale on top. Hopefully that would concentrate players' minds on international cricket, with a window for the IPL.
Problem is all those 3 nations receive ICC funding far, far in excess of that dished out to the rest. There has been a slight pull back from 3 years ago but not enough that players from other countries aren't looking at alternate careers to playing international cricket.
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Old 24th August 2017, 10:35   #31
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This lack of strength in depth is why I am opposed to Afghanistan and Ireland becoming test nations. With exception to the latter, who might get some good crowds in at their early home matches, who is going to be interested in watching, sponsoring or playing in matches against these two sides outside a few nerdy fans frequenting internet message boards?

The solution to the problems of low quality, boring test cricket is not more low quality, boring test cricket.
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Old 24th August 2017, 11:14   #32
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This lack of strength in depth is why I am opposed to Afghanistan and Ireland becoming test nations. With exception to the latter, who might get some good crowds in at their early home matches, who is going to be interested in watching, sponsoring or playing in matches against these two sides outside a few nerdy fans frequenting internet message boards?

The solution to the problems of low quality, boring test cricket is not more low quality, boring test cricket.
The issue is getting the balance between growing the sport internationally and watching competitive cricket. Two division tests will perpetuate the funding difference.
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Old 27th August 2017, 21:16   #33
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Great Idea - How can it work?

I think over the last 18 months a lot of the BCCI financial myths have been busted so I don't think its that big a deal if they get relegated, only adds more to the drama and context of the game.

But money aside (England just have the biggest broadcast deal in cricket) how could it work on a real term basis?

Lets say its a top division of 6 and a bottom of 6...what guarantees India and its government would allow an away series to Pakistan or the UAE? That's a big problem if all teams don't play each other home and away per cycle.

Also, what happens if Eng or Aus are relegated but the other stays up...no Ashes?

I think a better idea than dividing into two separate divisions is to have a single leage. One cycle of 2-3 years, with a penalty for any team refusing to play the other. The 4 teams with the highest points play each other to decide the finalists, who then have a super series (4 or 5 tests) to decide genuine champions.

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Old 27th August 2017, 23:26   #34
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This lack of strength in depth is why I am opposed to Afghanistan and Ireland becoming test nations. With exception to the latter, who might get some good crowds in at their early home matches, who is going to be interested in watching, sponsoring or playing in matches against these two sides outside a few nerdy fans frequenting internet message boards?

The solution to the problems of low quality, boring test cricket is not more low quality, boring test cricket.
Sorry but you're completely clueless on this subject and your lack of knowledge does you no favours.
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Old 28th August 2017, 10:58   #35
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Sorry but you're completely clueless on this subject and your lack of knowledge does you no favours.
Given the amount of utter garbage you post, I'll take that as meaning I'm probably on the right track with this.
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Given the amount of utter garbage you post, I'll take that as meaning I'm probably on the right track with this.
Anyone care to arbitrate on this amusing, little spat?
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Old 4th September 2017, 12:21   #37
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There was some good TMS debate on this during the last test with the WI perspective on being 'relegated' inevitably.

The question seems to be whether you get the fix in for the Ashes.

I think two divisions needs to be tried but there isn't a formulation that has really satisfied yet
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It's never going to work. India have played just one series outside of the sub-continent in the last 3 years (W Indies).........and they can't even confirm if they'll go to S Africa this Xmas either.

The current rankings are a farce based on that.

They go where they want.....
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Old 4th September 2017, 17:45   #39
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Exactly. The ranking system is a farce.
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Exactly. The ranking system is a farce.
Perhaps a healthy penalty in the rankings if you don't play all the tours ?

Although the BCCI would probably just buy Zimbabwe after the new IPL deal.
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