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Old 26th August 2017, 10:11   #121
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Nobody's mentioning that time Stokes was out but not given. Changed the game as much as the drops.
The wide flash at it that he hit the ground and may have nicked the bat at the same time...?

Be hard to have got on review, I did wonder when I saw the replays why hotspot wasn't used - in the TV replays, it wasn't reviewed so maybe why. And also if it had been given would it have been reversed due to inconclusive evidence of an edge?
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Old 26th August 2017, 10:17   #122
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England may well be bowling tonight at this rate.
Some rather poor shot selection, a lot of fortune in drops etc, and England now needing the windies to be pretty ordinary batting themselves.

In Tests you can't afford to give your wickets away, or perhaps I should say you should sell them dear with solid defence and selective shot play until you are in and used to the pitch.

Maybe this just isn't the pitch to be driving on, I do feel the modern flat wickets and big scores with everything all too easy for batsmen a lot of the time they don't 'play to the pitch' as it were (in more than one way) Way too much driving outside off stump, and whilst it is hard to know what to leave and what not to to a line just outside off stump, some of the defensive shots seem to be offering an edge rather than playing for your stumps ie even if you aren't sure if the ball will nip back or away, hit or not hit, play the line the ball needs to take to hit the stumps.

Easy said from here of course, but they are paid professionals at the top of their game (supposedly, and in terms of level of cricket being Tests)
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Old 26th August 2017, 10:35   #123
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The case for Stoneman, Westley and Malan.

Stoneman (age 30)
27 runs @ 13.50

Westley (age 28.5)
133 runs @ 22.17 (50 x1)

Malan (age 30*)
108 runs @ 18.00 (50 x1)

*on 3rd September

Not looking great, sure you need to give players a chance to prove themselves BUT there is no rule says you have to get out cheaply and not score many runs in your early career, nor on less than flat batting conditions against any quality of bowling do you have to get out cheaply either.

The passengers summer 2017 - combined innings runs

WIN (2nd Test) - Stoneman, Westley, Malan = 30 (out of 258)
WIN (1st Test) - Stoneman, Westley, Malan = 81 (out of 514/8d)
SAF (4th Test) - Jennings, Westley, Malan = 33 (out of 243)
SAF (4th Test) - Jennings, Westley, Malan = 64 (out of 362)
SAF (3rd Test) - Jennings, Westley, Malan = 117 (out of 313/8d)
SAF (3rd Test) - Jennings, Westley, Malan = 26 (out of 353)
SAF (2nd Test) - Jennings, Ballance, Dawson = 12 (out of 133)
SAF (2nd Test) - Jennings, Ballance, Dawson = 40 (out of 205)
SAF (1st Test) - Jennings, Ballance, Dawson = 67 (out of 233)
SAF (1st Test) - Jennings, Ballance, Dawson = 28 (out of 458)

Be a good average IF it were ONE batsman, 49.8 runs per innings. Adds up to 16% of the total runs, granted Dawson wasn't in to be a batsman but even if you remove those last (first chronologically) innings it only crawls up to 17% and 58.5 runs per innings average which is less than 20 per batsman.

I mean, c'mon, between 3 batsmen of no experience whatsoever you'd hope for 50+ runs between them more often than 4 times in 10 innings, and that's not even going into details like when the side scored 300+ ie to make less than 50 combined when the side is not making 250 is not too surprising, but when the side makes 350 and 400 you might expect more.



Be hard to do much about it now though, in terms of the winter tour, even if they replace all three that doesn't give newbies much time to find their feet. I suspect they may go back to Ballance or maybe even another player discarded who doesn't appear nearly as hapless - maybe even Buttler in as keeper and Bairstow only as batsman.....
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Old 26th August 2017, 10:56   #124
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Yet again the batting looked fragile, relying completely on the stalwarts who couldn't quite make up for the deficit. It continues to be a head scratcher.
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Old 26th August 2017, 11:10   #125
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The case for Stoneman, Westley and

The passengers summer 2017 - combined innings runs
You seem to have combined players' runs for the newcomer positions, but in a confusing fashion. Just for the West Indies series so far?

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Old 26th August 2017, 11:11   #126
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I rate Gabriel from what I saw yesterday. With Roach it's a fair attack.
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Old 26th August 2017, 12:02   #127
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I rate Gabriel from what I saw yesterday. With Roach it's a fair attack.
I remember Gabriel being impressive but erratic when we toured WI back in the Moores era. Since then he had a good tour of Pakistan, an good stint in the CC (I believe) and was excellent in our ODI series against them. Really does look to have developed into a fine bowler now.
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I'd be whipping Broad out of the attack PDQ if he doesn't start pitching it up.
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Anderson bowling well..6 wickets and he has 500 test wickets..will he do it this test?
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Old 26th August 2017, 12:24   #130
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Talking what makes us English?

Maybe I'm a tad weird but it makes me proud in a left field way when I see the full house in mad fancy dress having such fun and not taking life too seriously..smiling police with machine guns on the concourse but an elderly man with a crazy pink wig on the beer at 11..not much joy and reasons to be cheerful nowadays but this is one of them...well done Headingley..

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Crap from Broad this morning.
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Great ball..great catch...Anderson on form. 35-3
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Just the 3 wickets for Jimmy so far then. Why are we banging on about his batting performance again?
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Old 26th August 2017, 13:10   #134
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Just the 3 wickets for Jimmy so far then. Why are we banging on about his batting performance again?

Anderson is probably a better batsman than the dreadful Westley, Malan and Stoneman. They sound like a solicitors firm
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the slips very sloppy, let 2 balls through for 4 which should have been cut off. Relieved the pressure on the batsmen.
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Old 26th August 2017, 13:37   #136
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Looking a bit like a Bunsen for Ali.
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It isn't so much about how many HE scores, but how long he can hang around.

Point being if he isn't out early he can provide good support for where he bats and throwing a wicket away in the fear he won't survive is foolhardy.
I've been saying this for years.
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Just the 3 wickets for Jimmy so far then. Why are we banging on about his batting performance again?
Not just us. Sky showing his & Panesar's stand at Cardff.
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Woakes very unlucky this morning - strong return. Him and Jimmy look a class apart.
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Woakes very unlucky this morning - strong return. Him and Jimmy look a class apart.
Been much better than Broad. Quite down on pace but that's to be expected at this stage.
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