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Old 2nd September 2017, 09:23   #1
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3rd Test, England v WI at Lords 7th-11th September

Couldn't see a thread started. England have decided not to change a losing side, well squad anyway at the moment.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/41097758

England: J Root (captain), M Ali, J Anderson, J Bairstow, S Broad, A Cook, M Crane, D Malan, T Roland-Jones, B Stokes, M Stoneman, T Westley, C Woakes.

Could TRJ be recalled to play? My feeling is England won't want to as it could be seen as conceding they were wrong to replace him with Woakes.

Not much room for the team to be very different, can't see Crane making his debut here so may be as simple as unchanged or reverse Woakes <> Roland-Jones
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Old 2nd September 2017, 10:46   #2
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If England want to bring Roland-Jones back and continue Woakes' rehabilitation they could consider "resting" Broad.
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Old 2nd September 2017, 12:06   #3
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If England want to bring Roland-Jones back and continue Woakes' rehabilitation they could consider "resting" Broad.
I doubt they would do that. It's a must-win game, and although Broad has been less effective than usual this summer, I think he's still a much more dependable bowler than Woakes. The only way I could imagine them making that change would be if Woakes and Bayliss were from Yorkshire as well as Root.
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I doubt they would do that. It's a must-win game, and although Broad has been less effective than usual this summer, I think he's still a much more dependable bowler than Woakes. The only way I could imagine them making that change would be if Woakes and Bayliss were from Yorkshire as well as Root.
Agree with this. Broad's not quite been himself but Woakes needs to get as many overs as possible in to get himself back to speed and, although I thought he wasn't as bad as some made out in the last test he was still worse than Broad was and, I imagine, Roland-Jones would have been. Personally, I would rather we didn't use test matches as practice irrespective of the opposition and especially now that WI have given us a darn good slapping. On that basis, send Woakes back to Warwickshire for the rest of the summer to bowl as much as he can. Let's face it, if he's fit he's going to Oz so we don't gain much by playing him at 60%.
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It wouldn't surprise me if West Indies win. A number of England players look jaded. The all format players haven't had a break with the ODI series in West Indies
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I think they may bring TRJ in for Westley and move Malan to 3. That way they can drop Westley and not have to admit they brought Woakes back too early at the same time.
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I think they may bring TRJ in for Westley and move Malan to 3. That way they can drop Westley and not have to admit they brought Woakes back too early at the same time.
Dunno, not sure if seven bowlers is enough.
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Surely England need to blood a spinner for Australia as Ali will be redundant?
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Old 3rd September 2017, 13:43   #9
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I think they may bring TRJ in for Westley and move Malan to 3. That way they can drop Westley and not have to admit they brought Woakes back too early at the same time.
If they don't play Westley you'd think Crane would be the beneficiary. Probably more likely in that case that Woakes bats 8 and TRJ misses out. I guess the call is will it spin again. My guess is Westley plays ... Otherwise why have him in the squad?
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Old 3rd September 2017, 14:25   #10
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If they don't play Westley you'd think Crane would be the beneficiary. Probably more likely in that case that Woakes bats 8 and TRJ misses out. I guess the call is will it spin again. My guess is Westley plays ... Otherwise why have him in the squad?
Bayliss' comments certainly allude to Crane being quite likely to come in. Think he did also make some remark about TRJ being a good potential horses for courses pick at Lord's, too, though.
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I doubt they would do that. It's a must-win game, and although Broad has been less effective than usual this summer, I think he's still a much more dependable bowler than Woakes. The only way I could imagine them making that change would be if Woakes and Bayliss were from Yorkshire as well as Root.
Not being from here is a cross they will just have to bear, I suppose. To their credit, though, in their utterances and writings (unlike some), they seem to show no envy of those who are.

It's not really a big issue, however. Woakes and/or Roland-Jones may well get better preparation for the Ashes by playing for their counties.
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Not sure there's a lot of sense debuting Crane in a game England can't afford to lose and some of the windies batsmen may take a long handle to him, England know that is a risk with Ali but have a lot of faith with him.
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Not sure there's a lot of sense debuting Crane in a game England can't afford to lose and some of the windies batsmen may take a long handle to him, England know that is a risk with Ali but have a lot of faith with him.
Given Crane is out of the ODI and T20 squads - he's either definitely playing in the test or they have measured his face during his time as 12th man and found it doesn't fit.
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Wrt to Crane, has Rashid offended someone? I haven't seen too much of Crane, I must admit. Woakes is not at full fitness. Ro-Jo did nothing wrong. There area lot of 80 mph medium pacers about. Stokes' bowling? Mark Wood?
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Wrt to Crane, has Rashid offended someone? ?
He's back in the WI T20/ODI squads.

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Given Crane is out of the ODI and T20 squads - he's either definitely playing in the test or they have measured his face during his time as 12th man and found it doesn't fit.
Please can you explain that one to me? Is the Lords tests running concurrently with the one day series?

FWIW I think TRJ for Woakes will be the only change for England.
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Wrt to Crane, has Rashid offended someone? I haven't seen too much of Crane, I must admit. Woakes is not at full fitness. Ro-Jo did nothing wrong. There area lot of 80 mph medium pacers about. Stokes' bowling? Mark Wood?
When Stokes is entrusted with short, sharp spells he often bowls quickly and well, cf the New Zealand test at Lord's in 2015 and the 4th evening of the SA test at the Oval earlier this year. Where he struggles is when he is asked to bowl longer spells and can't maintain consistency or pace.

With Wood, he will look reasonably good in the first test of a back to back game, but his stamina and fitness don't last and he can be a bit of a liability in the 2nd back to back game. He was certainly very poor at Trent Bridge v SA this year. I suspect he will go on the Ashes tour but to pin your hopes on him in tearing them up in more than an isolated game is optimistic.
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When Stokes is entrusted with short, sharp spells he often bowls quickly and well, cf the New Zealand test at Lord's in 2015 and the 4th evening of the SA test at the Oval earlier this year. Where he struggles is when he is asked to bowl longer spells and can't maintain consistency or pace.

With Wood, he will look reasonably good in the first test of a back to back game, but his stamina and fitness don't last and he can be a bit of a liability in the 2nd back to back game. He was certainly very poor at Trent Bridge v SA this year. I suspect he will go on the Ashes tour but to pin your hopes on him in tearing them up in more than an isolated game is optimistic.
On Stokes - I'm not sure I agree. He is capable to bowling quick spells but they're not sufficiently quick or accurate to trouble top class batsmen. He bowled a mammoth spell (10-12 overs I think) when I was at Trent Bridge and he went for about 1 run per over. However, it's probably not sensible to use him as a stock bowler.

I agree on Wood. Hopefully he'll put in some decent performances in the CC and book his place on the plane. I imagine he'll be earmarked for the Brisbane and Perth tests as they tend to be the quickest pitches.
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Woakes is dropped for TRJ.

No other changes.

Looks like Crane is in the long grass.
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I expect the selectors will say TRJ is a "horses for courses" selection rather than admit they may have been wrong to bring in Woakes for him last Test.
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