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Old 24th September 2017, 19:35   #161
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England pretty much know their best Xl now. The only person you could question in the top 6 is Morgan, but to be fair, he's done a good job as captain and is still capable of match winning innings', as he showed during the champions trophy. Roy, Vince, Billings, Livingstone or Duckett may eventually replace him.

In terms of bowling, Ali and Rashid continue to do an excellent job. Plunkett is our best seamer and Woakes and Stokes are solid. I have to question what Willey is doing in this team. Is he playing just because he's a left arm bowler? If so, I'd rather bring in Sam Curran or Harry Gurney. Curran isn't anywhere near his peak yet, but he'll certainly develop into a far better player than Willey. Gurney's first go in an England shirt didn't work out, but he's been brilliant for Notts this year. Seems to have improved on his variations. Reece Topley is probably the most talented left armer in the country, but he can't stay fit. I wonder if he'll ever play for England again.

Right now, I'd just pick another right arm bowler. Tom Curran, Jamie Porter, Craig Overton, Mark Wood (currently injured), Jake Ball and Steve Finn would all do a better job than somebody who can only bowl with a new ball at 80mph.
I think they pick him because of his ability to swing the ball, not sure it's worth it when the white ball dies so quickly.

Personally I'd rather just play 5 front line bowlers and leave out Willey but I can't see any of our other bowlers being consistent with the new ball alongside Woakes and I don't think any of our other bowlers deserve to be left out to make way for a new ball bowler despite none of them being amazing with the ball. If we're going to continue with Willey then him just bowling at the start of the innings isn't that big an issue. As said though if they're going to continue with him they should give him a go batting in the power play when an opener falls early.
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Old 24th September 2017, 20:03   #162
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Man of the match for 10-0-65-0!?!?!? Ridiculous.
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Old 24th September 2017, 20:16   #163
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Old 24th September 2017, 21:07   #164
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Ali is a far better batsman when he starts slowly. I'm not convinced he's that well suited to 7 in ODI cricket as he is very prone to get out cheaply slogging in the last couple of overs. Once he gets his eye in he's one of the most elegant and natural stroke makers in the world. If he eradicated some of the big shots early in his innings regularly he'd be a much bigger force for England.

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Old 24th September 2017, 21:22   #165
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Ali is a far better batsman when he starts slowly. I'm not convinced he's that well suited to ODI cricket as he is very prone to get out cheaply slogging in the last couple of overs. Once he gets his eye in he's one of the most elegant and natural stroke makers in the world. If he eradicated some of the big shots early in his innings regularly he'd be a much bigger force for England.
Perhaps Ali could move to 4 when Morgan is dropped and then a big hitter could come in at 6/7. Somebody like Livingstone.
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Old 24th September 2017, 21:35   #166
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Perhaps Ali could move to 4 when Morgan is dropped and then a big hitter could come in at 6/7. Somebody like Livingstone.
Ali made his name at Worcestershire as a bruising opener. He was scoring at over a run a ball when it was still fashionable in England to see off the opening power play, and next 30 overs before going for it only in the last ten. Is Livingstone, with a slower career strike rate, really a better option than Ali at 7?
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Old 24th September 2017, 21:49   #167
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Ali made his name at Worcestershire as a bruising opener. He was scoring at over a run a ball when it was still fashionable in England to see off the opening power play, and next 30 overs before going for it only in the last ten. Is Livingstone, with a slower career strike rate, really a better option than Ali at 7?
Depends. If the job is to come in with 45 needed from 4 overs, I'd back Livingstone over Ali. Ali needs a bit of time to get in, so why not give him time to do that. He's often in too late batting at 7. I think Bairstow would be better at 4, so Ali could open with Hales, Bairstow at 4 and somebody like Livingstone (or another big hitter) at 7.
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Old 24th September 2017, 22:49   #168
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No offence intended of course to the ladies, who are 50 over champions. Comparisons are, of course, odious across gender in all sport. England themselves have not been brilliant in the field this summer. WI have been appalling though. Laid back is one thing, lackadaisical is another.
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Ali made his name at Worcestershire as a bruising opener. He was scoring at over a run a ball when it was still fashionable in England to see off the opening power play, and next 30 overs before going for it only in the last ten. Is Livingstone, with a slower career strike rate, really a better option than Ali at 7?
I think Ali is fine at 7. With the likes of Woakes, Willey etc. to come, it's not as though he's continually batting with tail enders and getting stranded. We all know he can biff. Not convinced about him as an opener.
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Old 25th September 2017, 00:40   #170
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No offence intended of course to the ladies, who are 50 over champions. Comparisons are, of course, odious across gender in all sport. England themselves have not been brilliant in the field this summer. WI have been appalling though. Laid back is one thing, lackadaisical is another.
Suppose there's a lot of difference in fielding standards between the professional athletes of the England ladies and those weekend cricketers from your local village. On another note it's a pity Gale's run out ruined the game as a contest.
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Old 25th September 2017, 00:47   #171
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Ali is a far better batsman when he starts slowly. I'm not convinced he's that well suited to ODI cricket as he is very prone to get out cheaply slogging in the last couple of overs. Once he gets his eye in he's one of the most elegant and natural stroke makers in the world. If he eradicated some of the big shots early in his innings regularly he'd be a much bigger force for England.
Why are you not convinced he is suited for ODI cricket? His SR is one of the best going and for a guy who spends almost all his time in the tail his average of almost 30 is among the best. That is quite frankly, a ridiculous statement.
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A separate post for what I have to say next:

Plunkett and Rashid are in the think of the wickets yet again, 8 between them with a 5 for for Plunkett and yet neither guy can even get a sniff of the test squad. What is up for that? Why are teh ECB doing everything in their power to pick anyone but them? SUb par spinners with zero international experience? Yep, let's pick them over Rashid.

Rubbish pace options instead of a tall, strong, fast Plunkett? Yep, let's pick him.

The selectors need their heads looked at.
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Old 25th September 2017, 04:11   #174
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Why are you not convinced he is suited for ODI cricket? His SR is one of the best going and for a guy who spends almost all his time in the tail his average of almost 30 is among the best. That is quite frankly, a ridiculous statement.
More his position, I think he's be better at 5. I meant to say ODI cricket at 7.
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Plunkett and Rashid are in the think of the wickets yet again, 8 between them with a 5 for for Plunkett and yet neither guy can even get a sniff of the test squad. What is up for that? Why are teh ECB doing everything in their power to pick anyone but them? SUb par spinners with zero international experience? Yep, let's pick them over Rashid.

Rubbish pace options instead of a tall, strong, fast Plunkett? Yep, let's pick him.

The selectors need their heads looked at.
Well with Plunkett, he barely plays first class cricket - just 43 overs for Yorks this season. Maybe, like Buttler, he's not that bothered about playing the longer form?
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Old 25th September 2017, 09:26   #176
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Well with Plunkett, he barely plays first class cricket - just 43 overs for Yorks this season. Maybe, like Buttler, he's not that bothered about playing the longer form?
I know that Zebby is a bit of an advocate because Plunkett has more wheels than other candidates who seem to be in the frame and a natural concern is that the likely England attack is rather one-paced. To be honest I doubt he will be in the frame as the selectors/Bayliss have suggested that they aren't really going to go outside those who've been around the test squad in recent times.
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He might have wheels in a 50 over game but can he sustain it in a Test Match? Also, the wickets he gets in the shorter forms are from batsmen going after him, Plunkett bowls bad balls so in Tests batsmen just wait. I guess that's why he doesn't play much County Championship cricket for Yorkshire or Test for England. The management look beyond stats.

Maybe that's the issue with Rashid too. Just too much loose stuff. Shame, cos a leggie is useful in Oz.
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What a ton. 53 balls. Moeen Ali.
With such short boundaries, poor bowling and a little sprinkling of luck, it was almost inevitable that one of our players would cash in yesterday.

Some very good, clean striking of the ball from Ali, though and, I suppose, once again on the figures alone, the MOTM award was inevitable.

Anyone else notice that Yorkshire players were responsible for all 10 West Indies wickets?
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Why was Samuels out there? Hardly convincing edge on ultra slow.
Thought so too. The 3rd umpire's explanation that nothing else could have caused the slight ripple on the line is only credible if one thinks there is no such thing as extraneous noise.

Samuels should not have been given out.
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Well with Plunkett, he barely plays first class cricket - just 43 overs for Yorks this season. Maybe, like Buttler, he's not that bothered about playing the longer form?
I looked at that because I was surprised to read yesterday he'd played only "two red ball games" this summer, but he's only played 4 T20s and 4 in the one day cup.

He was injured playing in one of the two championship games he played, couldn't bowl second innings. Not sure how much of the season he missed, but considering their struggles that stat I read shocked me - until I looked into it further this morning and BBC want a telling off for not giving more information as if he's only played short formats this season.
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