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Old 12th September 2017, 12:03   #61
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Onto Australia's XI and possible squad, this is how Warnie thinks they should go:

Matt Renshaw
David Warner
Usman Khawaja
Steve Smith (c)
Peter Handscomb
Glenn Maxwell
Matthew Wade (wk)
Mitchell Starc
Pat Cummins
Nathan Lyon
Josh Hazlewood

Khwaja back at three makes sense to me and as much as Wade is criticised for his batting, he is turning into a good keeper and I always believe in keeping skills > batting skills.

Maxwell is my issue. At no stage has he seemed like a test batsman...admittedly he has played a lot in Asia and got a century, so many home wickets would suit him better, who knows.

Warner, Khawaja, Smith and Handscomb are a better core than what England have and the bowling, if fit, with Starc, Hazlewood, Cummins and Lyon may be a bit too much for the weak top order England put out.
Assuming full fitness (rather a big assumption with Australia's seamers) I think 8, possibly 9 of the line up for the first test are set in stone. The only question marks would be over Maxwell (they may prefer Cartwright), Wade (they may prefer Nevill) and Khawaja (they may prefer S Marsh).
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Old 12th September 2017, 12:32   #62
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Khawaja will play. He's a beast in Oz. Their top 4 will make life miserable for us on a couple of occasions, I expect.

Regarding pace being everything (Josh Hazlewood is happy to disagree) we don't have anyone who'll consistently hit 90. Woakes as he was last summer is as quick as we have in terms of realistic options, although Wood might have one or two overs quicker. Roland Jones bowls at Lord's for home games and does a pretty damn good job at it - I'd argue being able to extract life from that surface consistently is a far better indicator of how he'll fare down under than whether or not he's quicker than our other not-that-fast bowlers.
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Old 12th September 2017, 13:16   #63
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Khawaja will play. He's a beast in Oz. Their top 4 will make life miserable for us on a couple of occasions, I expect.

Regarding pace being everything (Josh Hazlewood is happy to disagree) we don't have anyone who'll consistently hit 90. Woakes as he was last summer is as quick as we have in terms of realistic options, although Wood might have one or two overs quicker. Roland Jones bowls at Lord's for home games and does a pretty damn good job at it - I'd argue being able to extract life from that surface consistently is a far better indicator of how he'll fare down under than whether or not he's quicker than our other not-that-fast bowlers.
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Decent ton for Stoneman against Yorkshire today - I'd be surprised if he wasn't opening in Brisbane.
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Old 12th September 2017, 16:47   #65
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See India have 4 of the top batsmen and 2 of the bowlers. Explains their success.
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Old 12th September 2017, 18:11   #66
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Many have assumed that Woakes only needs to get through fitness checks to make the XU but does having the second test under lights bring TRJ into contention? I don't have much hope for his bowling at the Gabba, especially if he Aussies win the toss but reckon he'd enjoy the extra juice in the d/n contest.
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See India have 4 of the top batsmen and 2 of the bowlers. Explains their success.
When Australia and West Indies were dominant they would have at least matched that. I guess it is a bit of a truism ... The best team tends to have the best players.
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Many have assumed that Woakes only needs to get through fitness checks to make the XU but does having the second test under lights bring TRJ into contention? I don't have much hope for his bowling at the Gabba, especially if he Aussies win the toss but reckon he'd enjoy the extra juice in the d/n contest.
If Woakes is bowling at 85 - 90mph and getting some swing he'll definitely play. If he doesn't he probably won't, or at least not until the selected batsmen have played.
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He suffered by being played too high at no3. He isn't a no3 even for Yorkshire ley alone England. A good candidate for the no5 spot though.
He was below par in his 4 test at 5 (25) and 2 at 4 (6). I think he will certainly go though. I suspect he'll bat at 4. His problem isn't so much the moving ball it's bowling just hitting the right length and aiming at the wicket. He's out LB and bowled an awful lot for a top order batsman. Being susceptible to balls bowled at the wicket is a bit of a problem in test cricket.
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Assuming full fitness (rather a big assumption with Australia's seamers) I think 8, possibly 9 of the line up for the first test are set in stone. The only question marks would be over Maxwell (they may prefer Cartwright), Wade (they may prefer Nevill) and Khawaja (they may prefer S Marsh).
Marsh over Usman? That is pure madness. At home, Usman averages 60+ and has about 10 scores of 50-100+. NOway he should be overlooked, that would be a joke on par with Wood playing test cricket.
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And never playing outside India...
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I might be wrong but I think the rankings take the venue of performances into account, although I'm not sure home/away or what a player's previous record on that ground is are accounted for. I.e. It will compare Cook's record at Lords, Trent Bridge and Mumbai with all batsmens' performances there , but it won't give him personally fewer points at Lords for having a good home record there or more at TB/Mumbai for having a poor record/being away.
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I can't see why Foakes wouldn't be on that plane f/c average this season 48.91 (12) Buttler 17.16 (4). Currently 95*.
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I can't see why Foakes wouldn't be on that plane f/c average this season 48.91 (12) Buttler 17.16 (4). Currently 95*.
Foakes for me without a shadow of a doubt. I'd actually play him too and put YJB back into the top 5.
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Foakes for me without a shadow of a doubt. I'd actually play him too and put YJB back into the top 5.
It's getting to the point where they must be looking at Foakes from a pure batting point of view anyway!
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It's getting to the point where they must be looking at Foakes from a pure batting point of view anyway!
To be honest it would seem a bit odd to take the gloves off Bairstow when he appears to have improved a lot over the past 12 months. However, England are really struggling to find batsman good enough to bat in the top 5 and (IMO) Bairstow fits the bill. Foakes has an excellent FC record, he bats in the top 5 for Surrey and he would make an excellent 8 or 9 (with Mo moving up to 7).
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Cook
Stoneman
Root
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Bairstow
Stokes
Moeen
Foakes
Woakes/TRJ
Broad
Anderson

I think that looks like a half-decent side but I have absolutely no idea who should fill the #4 berth (or the #3 berth if Root doesn't move up). I guess Malan will get the first opportunity but I'm not sold on him.
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To be honest it would seem a bit odd to take the gloves off Bairstow when he appears to have improved a lot over the past 12 months. However, England are really struggling to find batsman good enough to bat in the top 5 and (IMO) Bairstow fits the bill. Foakes has an excellent FC record, he bats in the top 5 for Surrey and he would make an excellent 8 or 9 (with Mo moving up to 7).
It would be rather odd to do it now as he seems to have improved a lot over the last 12 months, I'm no keeping expert and have never done it in my life but his movements do seem more consistent with where the ball is going now and I'd put him ahead of Buttler now unless there's been a big improvement there that I haven't seen?

It kind of made sense when Buttler was imo a slightly better keeper as he also seems suited if anything to batting at 7/8 whereas I think most are of the opinion that Bairstow would be a good #5 or even 4 (certainly better there than the specialist batsman we've tried other than Root obviously) but I think now Bairstow would take it as a real kick in the balls if he had the gloves taken off him after working so hard to get his game up to the level it is.
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It would be rather odd to do it now as he seems to have improved a lot over the last 12 months, I'm no keeping expert and have never done it in my life but his movements do seem more consistent with where the ball is going now and I'd put him ahead of Buttler now unless there's been a big improvement there that I haven't seen?

It kind of made sense when Buttler was imo a slightly better keeper as he also seems suited if anything to batting at 7/8 whereas I think most are of the opinion that Bairstow would be a good #5 or even 4 (certainly better there than the specialist batsman we've tried other than Root obviously) but I think now Bairstow would take it as a real kick in the balls if he had the gloves taken off him after working so hard to get his game up to the level it is.
He could, at least in theory, move up to 5 and keep the gloves but that would be a huge ask down under. Also, it would likely result in playing one too many bowlers or having a specialist batsman come in at 7, 8 or maybe even 9.
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Cook
Stoneman
Root
???
Bairstow
Stokes
Moeen
Foakes
Woakes/TRJ
Broad
Anderson

I think that looks like a half-decent side but I have absolutely no idea who should fill the #4 berth (or the #3 berth if Root doesn't move up). I guess Malan will get the first opportunity but I'm not sold on him.
This makes a lot of sense in the quest for a better balanced side, given the alternatives that have been so underwhelming recently. You have to give up something to get something or nothing will be gained. Westley or Malan at 4 will be an adventure, but they are more likely to succeed than in the pressure cooker at 3. Small steps, but Foakes has earned a callup.
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