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Old 5th October 2017, 09:31   #41
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It’s all about intent and that’s what the video footage doesn’t show.
Are you really saying the video doesn't show any intent to inflict bodily harm on another person or persons?
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Old 5th October 2017, 10:17   #42
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It all depends on whether the guy he punched presses charges.
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Old 5th October 2017, 11:01   #43
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It's not just about the court case, though, is it?

Terrible timekeeping, for example, isn't a crime but can still cost a fellow his job.
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Old 5th October 2017, 11:04   #44
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It all depends on whether the guy he punched presses charges.
No, it really doesn't.

The CPS would still investigate the case and any reasons for the victim not wanting to press charges. They may still prosecute if they feel that is in the interests of the public.
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Old 5th October 2017, 11:15   #45
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The Sun will have only chosen to shown the portion of the video that causes the most shock.
As previously stated (not sure by whom, sorry) if Sky had the Ashes would it have surfaced at all?
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Old 5th October 2017, 11:33   #46
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So, showing more of it would have lessened the shock of what they did show?

If not the "Sun", some other newspaper, unconnected with Sky, would have been offered the video.
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I've been hearing that if the criminal case hasn't been concluded on way or another then Stokes won't be included in the touring party. In which case let's hope the case is dropped forthwith and he can travel with the rest of the squad at the end of the month. The ECB can say no criminal charges were brought and he has served a two match ban for being out during a series at 2:30 in the morning.

If the investigation is not resolved by the time the plane departs for Australia it would be nice to see Strauss back his player and make him available for the whole series, stating that he is innocent until proven guilty and that he can't conduct the internal investigation until the criminal investigation is complete. Like scenario 1 the ECB could say he has served a two match ban for being out during a series at 2:30 in the morning.
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Old 5th October 2017, 12:39   #48
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I've been hearing that if the criminal case hasn't been concluded on way or another then Stokes won't be included in the touring party. In which case let's hope the case is dropped forthwith and he can travel with the rest of the squad at the end of the month. The ECB can say no criminal charges were brought and he has served a two match ban for being out during a series at 2:30 in the morning.

If the investigation is not resolved by the time the plane departs for Australia it would be nice to see Strauss back his player and make him available for the whole series, stating that he is innocent until proven guilty and that he can't conduct the internal investigation until the criminal investigation is complete. Like scenario 1 the ECB could say he has served a two match ban for being out during a series at 2:30 in the morning.
Does it count that Stokes was injured and couldn't be picked for the 2 remaining ODIs anyway? Some saying he would miss the warm-up games in Aus because of his injury.
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Does it count that Stokes was injured and couldn't be picked for the 2 remaining ODIs anyway? ...
Yes, he couldn't have played anyway, since he was injured, and he was also unavailable for selection because of the ongoing police enquiries. If the ECB want to give him a match ban of some sort then they'll surely have to announce that that's what's happening in advance of the games/s that he misses. Having said that, though, I don't really see any basis for such a ban. Being out at 2.30 in the morning is consistent with the apparent England policy of treating the players like adults, so if the ECB wanted to punish him for that kind of offence then they'd surely have to institute a curfew rule first and then have him break it. More generally I don't see the sense in a match ban; Stokes is who he is, and either he's the kind of person that the ECB are happy to have playing for England and serving as a role model for young hopefuls, in which case carry on, or he's bad news and bad press and they should terminate his contract and distance themselves from him publicly and permanently.
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If the investigation is not resolved by the time the plane departs for Australia it would be nice to see Strauss back his player and make him available for the whole series, stating that he is innocent until proven guilty and that he can't conduct the internal investigation until the criminal investigation is complete. Like scenario 1 the ECB could say he has served a two match ban for being out during a series at 2:30 in the morning.
Question on this instance would be visa-related - would being part of this delay/prevent his access to one? I'm no expert on travel to Oz, but I recall Serge Aurier wasn't allowed to come into Britain for a game against Arsenal because he was part of an investigation from when he had allegedly punched a bouncer.
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If Stokes is found guilty couldn't they sentence him to 3 months transportation to Australia? That would kill two birds with one stone.
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If Stokes is found guilty couldn't they sentence him to 3 months transportation to Australia? That would kill two birds with one stone.
That would have made him eligible for Australia, surely?
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I've been hearing that if the criminal case hasn't been concluded on way or another then Stokes won't be included in the touring party. In which case let's hope the case is dropped forthwith and he can travel with the rest of the squad at the end of the month. ...
Such hopes would depend upon which one considers more important; our Ashes chances, or the authorities doing their job without fear or favour.
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Such hopes would depend upon which one considers more important; our Ashes chances, or the authorities doing their job without fear or favour.
England's Ashes hopes are clearly more important than a bit of a tussle between two grown men outside a nightclub; I think we can all agree on that.
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He can't go on the tour whatever happens. If he did it would become a circus with him at the centre of it. The situation would be intolerable for the rest of the party.
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ECB Disciplinary Process

During the recent One-Day International series against West Indies, Andrew Strauss, Director of England Cricket, started an internal disciplinary investigation into behaviour within the One-Day squad.

Jonny Bairstow, Jake Ball and Liam Plunkett have each accepted a formal written warning and fine for unprofessional conduct – unrelated to the investigations into Ben Stokes and Alex Hales - with undisclosed sums paid equally to the PCA Benevolent Fund and the Hornsby Professional Cricketers’ Fund. The internal investigation and process for this matter has now concluded and no further comment will be made.

As previously announced, alleged breaches of ECB directives and regulations by Ben Stokes and Alex Hales will be considered by the Cricket Discipline Commission, within their independent process.
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He can't go on the tour whatever happens. If he did it would become a circus with him at the centre of it. The situation would be intolerable for the rest of the party.
What a load of old rubbish. Too many journalists with nothing to write about at the end of the season have blown this out of all proportion. Circus indeed!

The Ashes needs a story line when the cricket itself is some way off, since it’s huge business. The “will he, won’t he?” of Stokes’ selection for the touring party is being played up as a cliffhanger and at least is only as tedious as getting Glenn McGrath to make a forecast.
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England's Ashes hopes are clearly more important than a bit of a tussle between two grown men outside a nightclub; I think we can all agree on that.
We can probably all agree that you have completely missed the point.
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He may, if it is found that certain strings may be pulled.

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What a load of old rubbish. Too many journalists with nothing to write about at the end of the season have blown this out of all proportion. ...
Some truth in that (the second sentence). This would normally have been a quiet time for cricket journalism. Nothing seems to have been blown out of proportion, however.
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