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Old 7th October 2017, 19:19   #61
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He may, if it is found that certain strings may be pulled.


Some truth in that (the second sentence). This would normally have been a quiet time for cricket journalism. Nothing seems to have been blown out of proportion, however.
Nothing like a good controversy for publicity. The ECB and CA will be secretly rubbing their hands with evil glee.
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Old 7th October 2017, 21:29   #62
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Nothing like a good controversy for publicity. The ECB and CA will be secretly rubbing their hands with evil glee.
Good point. Maybe the fight was stage managed. Watch Stokes go to Oz
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Old 7th October 2017, 23:56   #63
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Some truth in that (the second sentence). This would normally have been a quiet time for cricket journalism. Nothing seems to have been blown out of proportion, however.
You didn't print the full sentence. It's nothing to do with the authorities. He can't go because the tour would become a circus if he did. Guys would be trying to pick a fight with him wherever he went. He's have to be under 24 hour guard. Concentrating on the cricket would be very hard to say the least.
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Old 8th October 2017, 10:21   #64
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You didn't print the full sentence. It's nothing to do with the authorities. He can't go because the tour would become a circus if he did. Guys would be trying to pick a fight with him wherever he went. He's have to be under 24 hour guard. Concentrating on the cricket would be very hard to say the least.
Of course he could, they were under 24hr guard in Bangladesh weren't they?

There would obviously be a press circus but that's probably not something new for the players isn't that the case on some tours anyway. If he's completely cleared of any wrong doing before the tour departs (which is pretty unlikely I admit!) would there be any less press attention and therefore should he still not be picked?

Just teach the players to say "no comment" it's not really rocket science at least it will take attention away from some of our batsman struggling to get in to double figures :-)
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Old 8th October 2017, 11:49   #65
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You didn't print the full sentence. It's nothing to do with the authorities. He can't go because the tour would become a circus if he did. Guys would be trying to pick a fight with him wherever he went. He's have to be under 24 hour guard. Concentrating on the cricket would be very hard to say the least.
The "...." at the end of the quote is there to say there was more but I think I quoted the essential part.

I'd simply add that circuses attract crowds and crowds bring in money.

As others have said, any issues arising as a result of the media whipping up frenzy can be managed and the prospect of this frenzy alone shouldn't be a reason for non-selection. There are other, of course, other, more appropriate reasons.
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Old 8th October 2017, 11:55   #66
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If the investigation shows that he's at fault for this fracas, he should miss the Ashes. We can't let our desire to see England win prevail over common sense.

I can think of plenty of jobs you'd lose if you were convicted of ABH.

The footage is pretty damning. It doesn't exactly look like he's intervening to protect someone, does it?
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Old 8th October 2017, 12:43   #67
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If the investigation shows that he's at fault for this fracas, he should miss the Ashes. We can't let our desire to see England win prevail over common sense.

I can think of plenty of jobs you'd lose if you were convicted of ABH.

The footage is pretty damning. It doesn't exactly look like he's intervening to protect someone, does it?
There's no way this is going to trial before the ashes though so he's not going to be convicted of anything by then well not by a judge and/or jury anyway.

It did look like he did to start with, not the second part though....
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Who took the footage? It seems to be from a high angle so was somebody watching from a nearby window? In the days before camera phones he would have been ok as there would have been been just a few conflicting testimonies and no real evidence.
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Who took the footage? It seems to be from a high angle so was somebody watching from a nearby window? In the days before camera phones he would have been ok as there would have been been just a few conflicting testimonies and no real evidence.
I read a piece comparing it to Botham getting into a similar situation in 1981 during the football season. Botham escaped any punishment from the cricketing authorities and played in the Caribbean tour while the investigation was ongoing. The point about filming/not filming was made by the journalist.
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I read a piece comparing it to Botham getting into a similar situation in 1981 during the football season. Botham escaped any punishment from the cricketing authorities and played in the Caribbean tour while the investigation was ongoing. The point about filming/not filming was made by the journalist.
Indeed. Wonder what would have happened if they'd camera phones when Botham had that famous altercation with Ian Chappel in that bar in Australia.
Especially given that both gave conflicting stories about what happened.
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Probably Sun employee #2 (#1 being the one who went to hospital) ...
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Who took the footage? It seems to be from a high angle so was somebody watching from a nearby window? In the days before camera phones he would have been ok as there would have been been just a few conflicting testimonies and no real evidence.
I understood the images we saw were recorded on CCTV with a non-static camera, possibly controlled by a human operator, not by someone on their camera phone.

However, it's the same sort of argument that says someone would have got away with something before fingerprint evidence. Possibly true but of no relevance to what happens next.
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I understood the images we saw were recorded on CCTV with a non-static camera, possibly controlled by a human operator, not by someone on their camera phone.

However, it's the same sort of argument that says someone would have got away with something before fingerprint evidence. Possibly true but of no relevance to what happens next.
Just shows the advance of modern technology. No hiding place anywhere.
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There's no way this is going to trial before the ashes though so he's not going to be convicted of anything by then well not by a judge and/or jury anyway.
Well he has to be charged before he can face trial and ultimately be found guilty or be acquitted. There is a possibility the CPS will decide not to pursue the matter, no charges will be brought and, presumably, Stokes will be free to join the tour. However, it's more likely he will be charged and it could well drag on for months. In that case it might be sensible for Stokes to plead guilty in order to expedite matters.
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Well he has to be charged before he can face trial and ultimately be found guilty or be acquitted. There is a possibility the CPS will decide not to pursue the matter, no charges will be brought and, presumably, Stokes will be free to join the tour. However, it's more likely he will be charged and it could well drag on for months. In that case it might be sensible for Stokes to plead guilty in order to expedite matters.
If he's charged he won't be playing the Ashes anyway - think I'd prefer to defend my name than plead guilty for a slightly faster route back to cricket.
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...think I'd prefer to defend my name than plead guilty for a slightly faster route back to cricket.
In the face of the evidence we have seen, and which would also be presented if there were a trial, such defence may be quite difficult.
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...There is a possibility the CPS will decide not to pursue the matter...
Indeed there is.

It'd be interesting to see how they justified the decision, though.
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Indeed there is.

It'd be interesting to see how they justified the decision, though.
That it's in the best interests of the country that Ben is in Australia playing cricket as opposed to being locked up for punching a homophobic thug?
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Indeed there is.

It'd be interesting to see how they justified the decision, though.
At a guess, some of the reasons offered by other posters in this thread.
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That it's in the best interests of the country that Ben is in Australia playing cricket as opposed to being locked up for punching a homophobic thug?
Hear though the abused men haven't been located. Is there any hard evidence they ever existed?
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