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Old 26th March 2007, 14:37   #21
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Usually when one of our players gets to the top spot it is usually the kiss of death.

Ask Vaughan or Harmy.
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Old 26th March 2007, 17:15   #22
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This shows why the whole idea of ratings is a complete load of rubbish
Not really. It shows more that the ODI spinning role for England has been a bit of a revolving door, of late.

Based on actual results achieved, Blackwell probably has been England's most successful (current) spinner. You can see how quickly his ranking is declining, however, with the -5 places he had just dropped.

If Monty continues to play in the World Cup, and takes some wickets, which we all would probably expect, he will soon reach a more realistic ranking to match his evident talent.
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Old 26th March 2007, 17:47   #23
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Usually when one of our players gets to the top spot it is usually the kiss of death.

Ask Vaughan or Harmy.
Don't go saying things like that, it's grist to Cesar's mill.

EDIT: Is that YOU saying such things about GBH?
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Old 26th March 2007, 17:54   #24
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With only 10 teams regularly playing full ODIs having at best 7 specialist batsmen each, Vaughan's 67 seems about right.
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Old 26th March 2007, 18:08   #25
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With only 10 teams regularly playing full ODIs having at best 7 specialist batsmen each, Vaughan's 67 seems about right.
Yes, he wouldn't want to be negotiating a performance-based contract based on his ODI ranking.

"I'm the 67th best ODI batsman in the World, so I want to be sure my remuneration is commensurate with that achievement".
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Old 26th March 2007, 18:12   #26
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If the note the agent was passing him was a fiver then his remuneration would be commensurate with his one day achievements.
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Old 5th April 2007, 01:04   #27
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ICC Cricket ODI Rankings 4th April 2007

Batting

1 (-) - Pietersen
21 (+2) - Collingwood
30 (+6) - Bell
35 (-1) - Flintoff
35 (-) - Trescothick
37 (-) - Strauss
75 (-6) - Vaughan
75 (-1) - Jones
83 (-1) - Solanki
90 (-6) - Joyce

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12 (+2) - Flintoff
29 (-3) - Anderson
51 (-3)- Gough
55 (-2) - Collingwood
57 (-1) - Lewis
61 (-3) - Plunkett
79 (+8) - Mahmood
87 (-1) - Ian Blackwell
95 (+4) - Panesar
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Old 5th April 2007, 10:54   #28
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How does Anderson go down? He's bowling pretty well and taking wickets! Does anyone actually understand how this system works properly?
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Because other people around him did better, most likely.
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Old 5th April 2007, 11:42   #30
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Would have thought Colly would have been higher by now.
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How does Anderson go down? He's bowling pretty well and taking wickets! Does anyone actually understand how this system works properly?
Anderson averages 30.00 this tournament. Hardly shocking in normal circumstances, but considering 3 of the 5 matches have been against associates, definitely below par for a top 30 bowler. There are no less than 16 bowlers in the World Cup at the moment who average less than 20.
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Anderson averages 30.00 this tournament. Hardly shocking in normal circumstances, but considering 3 of the 5 matches have been against associates, definitely below par for a top 30 bowler. There are no less than 16 bowlers in the World Cup at the moment who average less than 20.



That sums it up a treat.
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Anderson averages 30.00 this tournament. Hardly shocking in normal circumstances, but considering 3 of the 5 matches have been against associates, definitely below par for a top 30 bowler. There are no less than 16 bowlers in the World Cup at the moment who average less than 20.
So does that mean that the rankings were done after the Sri Lanka game? His figures were pretty good before then but not taking a wicket obviously put his average up. How we could do with a big performance against the Aussies on Sunday by him!
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Yes after the SL game. Take one wicket and you can drop down a place, take 0 drop down two. Also not bowling at the death has dried up easy wickets for him.

I think we should have a ratings system in county cricket so at a glance we can see the regular performers with the bat and ball. The PCA have just started a MPV ratings.

http://www.thepca.co.uk/rankings.html
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Yes after the SL game. Take one wicket and you can drop down a place, take 0 drop down two. Also not bowling at the death has dried up easy wickets for him.

I think we should have a ratings system in county cricket so at a glance we can see the regular performers with the bat and ball. The PCA have just started a MPV ratings.

http://www.thepca.co.uk/rankings.html
MVP? :P
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Sorry MVP. I must have had Vaughan on my mind.
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Yes after the SL game. Take one wicket and you can drop down a place, take 0 drop down two. Also not bowling at the death has dried up easy wickets for him.

I think we should have a ratings system in county cricket so at a glance we can see the regular performers with the bat and ball. The PCA have just started a MPV ratings.

http://www.thepca.co.uk/rankings.html
that's actually quite interesting reading. Gareth Batty 4th????? Strange that there are no keepers in the top 30, they always seemed to be the most overlooked people
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I'm amazed Flintoff's batting is still rated at 35. No doubt he'll continue to plummet down the rankings.
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I think I know why Vaughan is not playing Plunkett - he doesn't want him to have a better ODI batting average.

Vaughan 26.82
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I think I know why Vaughan is not playing Plunkett - he doesn't want him to have a better ODI batting average.

Vaughan 26.82
Plunkett 26.09

Its probably down to Fletcher thoug isn't it?
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