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Old 7th August 2018, 09:51   #5261
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Interesting legal stuff that Dobell has just linked to......

Worth remembering that he is charged with affray, not GBH or ABH. Therefore, it is not designed to protect the people involved in the violent incident. Instead, it aims to protect the other people present from potentially getting caught up in the incident.
Given the other bloke was waving a metal bar around...
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Old 7th August 2018, 09:55   #5262
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Given the other bloke was waving a metal bar around...
Indeed, and guess what the number one reason for acquittal is in affray? Self defence.

It's basically going to centre around the evidence given by the gay couple. Was he threatening them or defending them?
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Old 7th August 2018, 09:59   #5263
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Indeed, and guess what the number one reason for acquittal is in affray? Self defence.

It's basically going to centre around the evidence given by the gay couple. Was he threatening them or defending them?
Will the prosecution call them or the defence ? That's one to watch out for.
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Old 7th August 2018, 10:14   #5264
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Interesting legal stuff that Dobell has just linked to......

Worth remembering that he is charged with affray, not GBH or ABH. Therefore, it is not designed to protect the people involved in the violent incident. Instead, it aims to protect the other people present from potentially getting caught up in the incident.
How, exactly, is charging someone with affray, long after the incident occurred, intended to protect those close to, but not involved in, the incident?

Whatever the precise roles of the three defendants, it would seem, and the evidence is fairly conclusive here, that one of them remained an aggressor for much longer than the other two.

The evidence of the people whom Stokes is said to have either mocked or protected may have a bearing on the severity of any punishment, if he is found guilty.
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Old 7th August 2018, 10:16   #5265
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He was dropped but was it a suspension or an official punishment?
The ECB would have seen the video footage too and, whatever you call it, it probably arose from concern for the image of the game.
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Old 7th August 2018, 10:30   #5266
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Whatever the precise roles of the three defendants, it would seem, and the evidence is fairly conclusive here, that one of them remained an aggressor for much longer than the other two.
Clearly, there's no doubt about that. However, that's not what they're all being charged with. The question is, was anybody other than the two he hit, threatened by his actions?
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Old 7th August 2018, 10:35   #5267
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From the Mirror

"It has also been revealed that Hale didn’t want to press charges when Stokes was arrested at the scene.

Hale explained “he ain’t done nothing to me”"

Killer line that. If the mate of the bar waver wasn't threatened why would a mythical onlooker ?
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Old 7th August 2018, 10:45   #5268
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Who had previously been armed and whose mate grabbed himself a weapon?
Should have left the area then and removed himself from the situation. Now he's in a right pickle. Why an international cricketer feels the need to go clubbing in Bristol is beyond me.
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Old 7th August 2018, 10:54   #5269
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Why an international cricketer feels the need to go clubbing in Bristol is beyond me.
I suppose dropping an international cricketer for their taste in entertainment is just a continuation of dropping an international cricketer for looking out of a window.
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Old 7th August 2018, 10:58   #5270
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From the Mirror

"It has also been revealed that Hale didn’t want to press charges when Stokes was arrested at the scene.

Hale explained “he ain’t done nothing to me”"

Killer line that. If the mate of the bar waver wasn't threatened why would a mythical onlooker ?
Not really. If what the prosecutor alleges (below) turns out to be true, and it would seem that strong evidence for it exists, the remark would seem fairly inconsequential.

Any road up, it's something reported in the "Mirror".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-45082248

"Nicholas Corsellis, prosecuting, said Mr Stokes, 27, had "knocked Mr Hale unconscious and then - after time to pause for thought, to calm - he did exactly the same to Mr Ali".
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It's now being reported that he flicked a V sign at the bouncer......what a disgrace he is!!
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It's now being reported that he flicked a V sign at the bouncer......what a disgrace he is!!
There probably wasn't a balcony overhead to allow for urinary insults.
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There probably wasn't a balcony overhead to allow for urinary insults.
Clearly Monty would've been a far more reliable wingman than Hales.
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Interesting to hear Alec Stewart list having a really upbringing/family/education as positive reasons for Pope’s selection
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Interesting to hear Alec Stewart list having a really upbringing/family/education as positive reasons for Pope’s selection
There's a good piece on the BBC about his stint in Grade Cricket in Australia last winter. Seems he made quite an impression there both on and off the field.
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Interesting to hear Alec Stewart list having a really upbringing/family/education as positive reasons for Pope’s selection
A really what?
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There's a good piece on the BBC about his stint in Grade Cricket in Australia last winter. Seems he made quite an impression there both on and off the field.
Like Mason Crane did?

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Ha! Really good. Sorry
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Is Australian Grade cricket now more important to England selectors than County Cricket

I suspect these stories are probably out there for most county cricketers but only get written about when journos are scrambling around trying to write a profile on a "new" cricketer who has just been called up by England for the first time.
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Is Australian Grade cricket now more important to England selectors than County Cricket

I suspect these stories are probably out there for most county cricketers but only get written about when journos are scrambling around trying to write a profile on a "new" cricketer who has just been called up by England for the first time.
I think there's quite a few who would struggle to get such a glowing report from the people they stayed with judged by how many seem to get sent home from that part of the world.

Kind of important with Pope too seeing as he's hardly played any cricket.
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Would've been more of a story had his county coach called him a bit of a ******** with a chavvy family who went to a scummy school, no?
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