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Old 6th May 2009, 01:01   #381
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As a comparison, it's worth noting that Ian Bell's fitness was part of the reason for being dropped -well obviously it was mainly the fact that he wasn't scoring any runs, but after he was dropped the fitness thing was also mentioned, as a result of which he worked really hard and at the recent tests at Loughborough he came out in the top 3.

Patel knows what he has to do and needs to get on with it. It will also benefit his health in the long run, not just his cricket career.
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Old 6th May 2009, 01:03   #382
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As a comparison, it's worth noting that Ian Bell's fitness was part of the reason for being dropped -well obviously it was mainly the fact that he wasn't scoring any runs, but after he was dropped the fitness thing was also mentioned, as a result of which he worked really hard and at the recent tests at Loughborough he came out in the top 3.

Patel knows what he has to do and needs to get on with it. It will also benefit his health in the long run, not just his cricket career.
Where did you hear that? Who were the other two?
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Old 6th May 2009, 01:10   #383
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Where did you hear that? Who were the other two?
It was Alec Stewart on a Five Live discussion last week. Bell talks to him a lot. Stewart just said that he was in the top three but didn't mention who the other two were.
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Old 6th May 2009, 01:33   #384
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The fitness tests are Level 12 on the bleep test, swim 50 lengths and run 6 miles. I guess they might be done on different days and not one after another.
That is plain embarrassing if he can't do that.

I'm not a professional athlete by any stretch of the imagination and I can do that - and that is without the carrot (cake?) of an England place being dangled in front of me.
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Old 7th May 2009, 16:29   #385
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Interesting piece in the Times
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We don't request a player be fit, we demand it,” Geoff Miller, the national selector, said, after announcing that Samit Patel had missed out again because of his failure to hit acceptable fitness standards.

The only dissenting voice I heard was from a former England player with whom I happened to be dining on the evening of Patel's fall from grace. As he tucked into hanger steak, fried scallions, French fries and an assortment of mustards, this former player - who was no porker in his day but who now carries an extra pound or two - thought Patel's non-selection a disgrace. It doesn't matter how

unfit he is, was the argument, you can see in his eyes that he is a competitor and that out in the middle, where it counts — not in the gym, where it doesn't — he is worth his place.

It is the same argument used by those who railed against David Gower's non-selection to India in 1992-93. Then, the argument wasn't really about Gower - great player that he was - it was about the future direction of English cricket. Graham Gooch and Gower represented polar opposites and it was the Gower camp whose voices, if not its power to change anything, held sway.

This week, by contrast, there was an utter lack of sympathy for Patel and the silence that followed his non-selection showed how far English cricket has travelled in the past two decades. We might not be any good now, but at least we are professional.
I thought that was quite a perceptive piece by Athers. I do wish he'd write more often.
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Old 7th May 2009, 16:49   #386
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Samit Patel issue causes food for thought

We don't request a player be fit, we demand it, Geoff Miller, the national selector, said, after announcing that Samit Patel had missed out again because of his failure to hit acceptable fitness standards.

The only dissenting voice I heard was from a former England player with whom I happened to be dining on the evening of Patel's fall from grace. As he tucked into hanger steak, fried scallions, French fries and an assortment of mustards, this former player - who was no porker in his day but who now carries an extra pound or two - thought Patel's non-selection a disgrace. It doesn't matter how

unfit he is, was the argument, you can see in his eyes that he is a competitor and that out in the middle, where it counts not in the gym, where it doesn't he is worth his place.

It is the same argument used by those who railed against David Gower's non-selection to India in 1992-93. Then, the argument wasn't really about Gower - great player that he was - it was about the future direction of English cricket. Graham Gooch and Gower represented polar opposites and it was the Gower camp whose voices, if not its power to change anything, held sway.

This week, by contrast, there was an utter lack of sympathy for Patel and the silence that followed his non-selection showed how far English cricket has travelled in the past two decades. We might not be any good now, but at least we are professional.

I think this might be the crux of the matter - addressing the WRONG problem, as per usual.

Patel is just about the only current English qualified batsman with a first class average around 50, apart from KP. Perhaps some of the super fit athletes in the England side should practice their CRICKETING skills rather than going to the gym.......
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Wow Patel has come a long way if he's now being compared with the great David Gower.
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Old 7th May 2009, 18:08   #388
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I think this might be the crux of the matter - addressing the WRONG problem, as per usual.

Patel is just about the only current English qualified batsman with a first class average around 50, apart from KP. Perhaps some of the super fit athletes in the England side should practice their CRICKETING skills rather than going to the gym.......
His average is high cos he hasnt played test cricket cos hes so FAT!
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His average is high cos he hasnt played test cricket cos hes so FAT!
What a pleasure it is to have such intelligent cricket experts such as yourself on the board.
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What a pleasure it is to have such intelligent cricket experts such as yourself on the board.
I see that a certain J.S. Gatting, nephew of the pie-loving M.W. Gatting, is so far this season the highest first class averaging England qualified player. Mind you he has so far played only one innings where he scored 152.
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His bowling may be ok, but he's in the worst batting slump for a good long while.

Let's hope all the fitness talk has not knocked him off course.
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I'm not sure that's true - his one-day batting has always been very unpredictable, whereas his first-class batting this season has been alright on a string of difficult pitches. In the limited-overs formats of the game, unless Samit is considered as an all-rounder it does become quite difficult to justify his selection for England.
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The fitness tests are Level 12 on the bleep test, swim 50 lengths and run 6 miles. I guess they might be done on different days and not one after another.
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That is plain embarrassing if he can't do that.

I'm not a professional athlete by any stretch of the imagination and I can do that - and that is without the carrot (cake?) of an England place being dangled in front of me.
Why swimming? You could be the fittest man on the planet but if you can't swim you can't swim. Fitness wise in my youth I was a match for anyone in any team I played for, but swimming anything more than 4 lengths would have killed me, literally.
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Why swimming? You could be the fittest man on the planet but if you can't swim you can't swim. Fitness wise in my youth I was a match for anyone in any team I played for, but swimming anything more than 4 lengths would have killed me, literally.
I am sure if someone can't swim they are flexible and come up with a different test.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cri...r-England.html

Patel is hoping to be selected for the England Lions match against Australia. That is the same as playing for England so I can't see how they would pick him for that and but not for England. It will be interesting to see how the selectors are thinking.
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Hes being monitored very closely by England. He had a session with the ECB nutritionist at Edg this week.
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Hes being monitored very closely by England. He had a session with the ECB nutritionist at Edg this week.
Cutting out a good deal of ghee and oil from his diet would help I suspect.
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