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Old 25th June 2011, 23:09   #361
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We were both wrong. Swann debuted in 2000 in ODIs!
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Old 26th June 2011, 07:29   #362
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You missed Prior in the ODIs. But I can imagine he got lost between the other 5 wicketkeepers that made their England ODI debut in the last 4 years and a bit.

ETA: Since the start of 2008, England have handed out 16 debuts in T20 in 26 matches, 5 of them to wicketkeepers.
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Old 26th June 2011, 14:24   #363
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You missed Prior in the ODIs. But I can imagine he got lost between the other 5 wicketkeepers that made their England ODI debut in the last 4 years and a bit.

ETA: Since the start of 2008, England have handed out 16 debuts in T20 in 26 matches, 5 of them to wicketkeepers.
Prior debuted in the ODIs in 2004. The figures only start from 2005.
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Old 2nd August 2011, 19:13   #364
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Ajmal Shahzad was the last debutant for England when he played his only test against Bangladesh at Old Trafford. England have now played 13 test matches without a player making a debut which is a record for us.

The longest streak is 21 games set by South Africa from the start of 2007 to almost the end of 2008.

There is a possibility with the injury to Trott that we could have a debutant in the form of James Taylor although a recall for Bopara can't be ruled out not least since he would provide some handy overs which will be lost with Trott's absence and would mean KP would have to bowl more.
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Old 2nd August 2011, 19:19   #365
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Ajmal Shahzad was the last debutant for England when he played his only test against Bangladesh at Old Trafford. England have now played 13 test matches without a player making a debut which is a record for us.

The longest streak is 21 games set by South Africa from the start of 2007 to almost the end of 2008.

There is a possibility with the injury to Trott that we could have a debutant in the form of James Taylor although a recall for Bopara can't be ruled out not least since he would provide some handy overs which will be lost with Trott's absence and would mean KP would have to bowl more.
14 isnt it? Record was broken at Lords
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Old 2nd August 2011, 19:27   #366
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Sorry I read the cricinfo article which was written before the last test so yes it was 14 but the record before was 12.
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Old 2nd August 2011, 20:13   #367
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If England don't hand out a debut in the next two Tests, it will be the first time there was no home Test debut since 1953 (in which year England accidentally beat Australia to become the leading side in the world).
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Old 2nd August 2011, 20:16   #368
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There will be no more England test debutants before next summer.
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Old 2nd August 2011, 22:24   #369
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There will be no more England test debutants before next summer.
Yes, I can't see them repeating the policy of the final India Test of 1979, when they gave debuts to a new opening batsman and a wicketkeeper, for no other reason than to try them out (even though the series was still undecided).
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Old 3rd August 2011, 02:25   #370
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If Trott has to miss a game, I sincerely hope we don't try recycling Bopara yet again. I really do feel he has had too many second chances already, and has been found wanting. If his work ethic seemed exemplary, I might just make an exception for him, but my sense is that he's not quite working hard enough at his game. Is that unfair? Maybe so.
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James Taylor to be the next Test debutant.
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Old 3rd August 2011, 14:52   #372
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If Trott has to miss a game, I sincerely hope we don't try recycling Bopara yet again. I really do feel he has had too many second chances already, and has been found wanting. If his work ethic seemed exemplary, I might just make an exception for him, but my sense is that he's not quite working hard enough at his game. Is that unfair? Maybe so.
Ravi Bopara

Average number of test innings per hundred: 5
Average number of test innings before being dropped by the selectors: 5

It would be a shame to spoil that symmetry, but can someone who has only had 15 test innings (3 of which he scored centuries in) really be said to have had too many second chances?

What do you base your suggestion that he doesn't work hard enough on - the number of overs he bowls?
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Grannie's fanboy love of the mediocre Bopara continues to delight me.
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Old 3rd August 2011, 15:34   #374
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Grannie's fanboy love of the mediocre Bopara continues to delight me.
Same, it's more love than MF has for Bell.
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There may be more to it than just form. I get the impression that Messers Harmison and Flintoff aren't missed too much in the England team by the hierachy. The current side have a brilliant team ethic, train hard, enjoy each others company of the field. It may be that there are things we don't know about Bopara behind the scenes.
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Ravi Bopara

Average number of test innings per hundred: 5
Average number of test innings before being dropped by the selectors: 5

It would be a shame to spoil that symmetry, but can someone who has only had 15 test innings (3 of which he scored centuries in) really be said to have had too many second chances?

What do you base your suggestion that he doesn't work hard enough on - the number of overs he bowls?
England aren't looking for an all-rounder but a specialist batsman.
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Bell made his debut in the final test of the 2004 Series against the West Indies. He then had to wait until the Bangladesh series in 2005 to get a second chance. I think he replaced Thorpe but not sure why. Maybe MF can help us out!
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There may be more to it than just form. I get the impression that Messers Harmison and Flintoff aren't missed too much in the England team by the hierachy. The current side have a brilliant team ethic, train hard, enjoy each others company of the field. It may be that there are things we don't know about Bopara behind the scenes.
You may wish to read about his time in New Zealand before questioning his training ethic.
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James Taylor to be the next Test debutant.
Let's hope so, I love the guy. He's about due his chance now, there aren't many young Englishmen who have racked up as many runs at such a good average. He also seems to raise his game when he's not playing for that awful team he's contracted to.
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Bell made his debut in the final test of the 2004 Series against the West Indies. He then had to wait until the Bangladesh series in 2005 to get a second chance. I think he replaced Thorpe but not sure why. Maybe MF can help us out!
Thorpe played in the Bangladesh series. For that series Bell replaced Butcher, who got injured in South Africa and never played again.
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