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Old 30th December 2015, 10:27   #681
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There were some dubious picks in that series as well, Tsolekile? de Bruyn?
Tsolekile could at least keep Wasn't ab picked as an opener too? How did SA actually do so well?! That was good England side.
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Tsolekile could at least keep Wasn't ab picked as an opener too? How did SA actually do so well?! That was good England side.
Sir Virgs stock answer "Helps if you have the best all rounder of all time"
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Old 30th December 2015, 10:31   #683
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Knock it off, he deserved that wicket. He'll obviously drop out for Anderson in the next game, but I have no worries about him coming in again if/when required.
Genuinely can't share your optimism although not sure why. He bowls a good one, decent pace, easy action yet just seems to be completely non-threatening. Perhaps just a bit of bad luck to have not picked up more wickets and maybe he'll come good. I think he's only taken more than one wicket in an innings one in 8 test innings, is he the bowling equivalent of Marvin Attapattu and will eventually come good?

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Didn't amla debut in 2004 and look completely clueless? Steyn too, without the clueless bit so much.
IIRC Steyn made a mess of Vaughan's stumps on debut/2nd Test.
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Old 30th December 2015, 10:32   #684
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Tsolekile could at least keep Wasn't ab picked as an opener too? How did SA actually do so well?! That was good England side.
Kallis got 3 tons that series from recollection and Pollock & Ntini were still a high quality attack. Smith I remember had a poor series but made a fine innings in rearguard at Joburg when he had suffered from concussion after wearing one in the slip cordon.

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Sir Virgs stock answer "Helps if you have the best all rounder of all time"
Helped SA draw the last test Looks like ab was middle order, but I also saw the name van jaarsveld in one of the lineups. Not a good vintage.
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Think George Dobell's been in Michael Holding's ear, suggesting Anderson could come in for Finn, with Woakes keeping his place. Zero chance of that.
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Kallis got 3 tons that series from recollection and Pollock & Ntini were still a high quality attack. Smith I remember had a poor series but made a fine innings in rearguard at Joburg when he had suffered from concussion after wearing one in the slip cordon.
I think pollock had lost pace by then. Still a quality bowler, unbeatable when there was something in the pitch, but not able to rip into a side anymore. Very miserly.
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We couldn't decide between SiJo and Anderson that series, the former starting to come good and the latter still terrible. Harmison was hyped up beforehand but bowled garbage all tour. He did top score in one innings though, at Cape Town when we lost I think. Hoggy was class, I had the image of him swinging one in to clean bowl Rudolph as my computer desktop for a while.
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I think pollock had lost pace by then. Still a quality bowler, unbeatable when there was something in the pitch, but not able to rip into a side anymore. Very miserly.
yeah that was the case. I remember Nel playing the fourth test but like you intimate re Van Jaarsveld there was a lack of batting depth in that side which ultimately told.
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Got to say I was more than frustrated to see de Villiers go for yet another 30/40.
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Got to say I was more than frustrated to see de Villiers go for yet another 30/40.
Agreed. I'm not buying the retirement talk, but something needs to be done around his workload.
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YES! Well played England. Hardly a blip bar the stumping missed. On top from the start. MOM Broad?
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Genuinely can't share your optimism although not sure why. He bowls a good one, decent pace, easy action yet just seems to be completely non-threatening. Perhaps just a bit of bad luck to have not picked up more wickets and maybe he'll come good. I think he's only taken more than one wicket in an innings one in 8 test innings, is he the bowling equivalent of Marvin Attapattu and will eventually come good?
It's hard to judge a player when he's still finding his feet in the side, and hasn't had a long enough run. I remember saying similar things about Chris Jordan after the first Test on the last Windies tour - by the end of it you could reach the conclusion that he lacked the penetration required at Test level, but you needed to give him that long to see.

Woakes hasn't had that yet, and it's a similar point I would make about the judgements on Compton. He's only just coming back into the side, so you take the runs he's made as a big plus, and wait and see on how he plays tempo-wise.
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Well that was surprisingly comprehensive. Hope SA can sort themselves out otherwise this is going to be a very one-sided series.
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Lots of man of the match candidates, Compton, Taylor, Moeen, Broad, Finn - shows how much of an all-round performance it was.
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YES! Well played England. Hardly a blip bar the stumping missed. On top from the start. MOM Broad?
I'd go for Broad. He made the biggest difference in the first half of the match with his late order knock to take England above 300 and then a masterful bowling display.
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