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Old 10th March 2018, 01:09   #241
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A bit sad to see Mark Wood struggling to get the ball through at much more than 135kph.
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Old 10th March 2018, 01:11   #242
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Sort of hoping, the NZ tail wags a bit just to make a game of it. Great spell from Adil. Shame about the 7 off the last over (one gross mis-field and his only truly bad ball).
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Old 10th March 2018, 02:15   #243
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He's been hugely undervalued Taylor for me given that he's always seemed to be a batsmen in the shadows, whether that be in his home country to the likes of McCullum or Williamson or on an actual world level. That he's only played 83 Tests somewhat hampers him when drawing comparisons against others of his era but numbers wise his figures are still fantastic, certainly the best of any New Zealander.
Taylor's been treated like **** by NZC over the years, and was never in the McCullum-Vettori-Fleming-Southee clique, which has left him isolated whenever Guptill's not been in the team.

He also has to put up with a lot of lazy racist stereotyping (calling him lazy when he fails, banging on about his KFC consumption - which is a standard insult of pacific islanders in NZ)

Anyway, I love to see him do well. Battling agains the odds, and clearly his absence in certain games this series have made a profound difference to NZ's chances.
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Old 10th March 2018, 07:04   #244
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Good win for England .

Series averages here - JB, Root and Woakes the stars of the series.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...;type= series
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Good win for England .

Series averages here - JB, Root and Woakes the stars of the series.

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Superb economy rates from both spinners, but particularly from Moeen Ali. Must be his best series with the ball.
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Old 10th March 2018, 10:35   #246
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58 ball ton from YJB. His record as an opener is quite magnificent.
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Well done England for winning the series. That's a pretty good effort to win away against New Zealand.

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Cheer up, WaK. It can't be all bad. At least I like cricket, and you can spout pompous platitudes. Imagine all those even more selfish sods who don't even like cricket at all.
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Old 10th March 2018, 13:26   #248
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Well done England for winning the series. That's a pretty good effort to win away against New Zealand.

Cheer up, WaK. It can't be all bad. At least I like cricket .
Says the man who 24 hours ago described modern white ball cricket as "an overrated load of old hooey."

Amazing how a series win can change you from a jaundiced 'bah humbug' old Scrooge into a cricket lover once again!
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Says the man who 24 hours ago described modern white ball cricket as "an overrated load of old hooey."

Amazing how a series win can change you from a jaundiced 'bah humbug' old Scrooge into a cricket lover once again!
It's not the series win, WaK, though that was nice. I realise I have been a bit of a grumpy old man on here in recent times. But this week I have experienced a rebirth of sorts.
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Superb economy rates from both spinners, but particularly from Moeen Ali. Must be his best series with the ball.
Moeen is always pretty economical. He and Rashid really compliment each other in the side. I think itís nice to have that 6th bowler. Takes the pressure off of them.
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Moeen is always pretty economical. He and Rashid really compliment each other in the side. I think itís nice to have that 6th bowler. Takes the pressure off of them.
I'm not sure it does. The 6th bowler is really the 4th seamer. He takes the pressure off the other seamers. It's very rare for the spinners not to bowler 20 overs between them. If anyone takes pressure off the two main spinners, it's Root. When every once in a while England look at the pitch and think they might not want to bowl 20 overs of spin on it, they drop a spinner.
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Funny how Willey was dropped despite averaging under 4 and replaced by Wood who went for a lot more.
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Funny how Willey was dropped despite averaging under 4 and replaced by Wood who went for a lot more.
I assume youíre talking about economy rates and not averages!?
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Well for those who questioned the influence of the toss. NZ won it 3 times and we had 3 close games. England won it twice and we witnessed two demolitions. It was certainly easier bowling first. A June World Cup in England ought not to have much influence either way.

I think there was actually a significant gulf between these teams. The Kiwis were largely held together by Taylor, Williamson and Santner whilst England had strong performances from a number of players and useful contributions from others.

Unlike Test Cricket, England also have strength in depth in ODI's. Plunkett, Willey and Roy all missing the last match. The one concern would be if a spinner got injured...

But another decent series win.

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Superb economy rates from both spinners, but particularly from Moeen Ali. Must be his best series with the ball.
Absolutely meaningless as he only fills in the middle overs and is deemed "unbowlable" in the death or the powerplay.

Also his batting stats draw a line through any claims to still be an all rounder.
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Absolutely meaningless as he only fills in the middle overs and is deemed "unbowlable" in the death or the powerplay.
Erm, the only match won against the toss (and thus the decisive game of the series) was a direct result of Ali and Rashid creating mid-innings carnage.
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I assume youíre talking about economy rates and not averages!?
Sorry yes. Strange decision though.
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Absolutely meaningless as he only fills in the middle overs and is deemed "unbowlable" in the death or the powerplay.
We've been through this before. Him drying up the runs in the middle order allows Rashid and the pace bowlers to attack more at the end.
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I'm not sure it does. The 6th bowler is really the 4th seamer. He takes the pressure off the other seamers. It's very rare for the spinners not to bowler 20 overs between them. If anyone takes pressure off the two main spinners, it's Root. When every once in a while England look at the pitch and think they might not want to bowl 20 overs of spin on it, they drop a spinner.
When was the last time we dropped a spinner for an ODI? I don't agree with having 6 bowlers when we've also got Root but I can't remember the last time England actually dropped anyone to go with 5 bowlers, normally it's because Stokes is not available.

It's also not unusual for our Ali/Rashid not to bowl 20 overs, it hasn't happened much recently because we only played 5 front line bowlers in Australia but because we play too many bowlers Ali often doesn't bowl out (even in Australia Root bowled well and Ali didn't bowl out in Brisbane).

Having been rather annoyed by Woakes not bowling his overs a couple of times in the last series I think Morgan/England would in most cases be better off with fewer options!
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When was the last time we dropped a spinner for an ODI? I don't agree with having 6 bowlers when we've also got Root but I can't remember the last time England actually dropped anyone to go with 5 bowlers, normally it's because Stokes is not available.

It's also not unusual for our Ali/Rashid not to bowl 20 overs, it hasn't happened much recently because we only played 5 front line bowlers in Australia but because we play too many bowlers Ali often doesn't bowl out (even in Australia Root bowled well and Ali didn't bowl out in Brisbane).

Having been rather annoyed by Woakes not bowling his overs a couple of times in the last series I think Morgan/England would in most cases be better off with fewer options!
I think the last time we dropped a spinner for an ODI was our first game of the Champions Trophy last summer, when we dropped Rashid for a fifth seamer.

General point was that seamers are less likely to bowl out than spinners. It's not unusual for the spinners to bowl 20 and the seamers to share the rest, but it is unusual for the seamers to bowl 40 and the spinners to share the rest. The last time I remember the latter happening (or near enough; hard to say, as the oppo only batted 45 overs) was in our second CT match, when Ali bowled 0 and Rashid 10. A bit of overcorrection there by Morgan perhaps.

Hard to say whether the variations are due to the pitch or who's bowling well / getting hit and who isn't. Maybe Morgan likes to have options in particular towards the death, which might make seamers less likely to bowl out. In any case, it seems to me that overall the 6-bowlers policy lessens the workload of the seamers more than it lessens the workload of the spinners.

I would tend to agree with you about not needing 6 bowlers, but I think if we picked just 5 and an extra batsman then we could probably ditch Root too, as basically he's the insurance against getting bowled out, which would be less likely to happen if Woakes and Rashid were at 9 and 10 rather than at 8 and 9. So I think if we played 5 bowlers plus Root, then on good days we might end up putting Root down the order or at DNB. In any case, Morgan and the selectors seem set to carry on with 6 bowlers, and with several fine all-rounders it's certainly a viable policy.
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