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Old 24th September 2015, 19:25   #1261
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I think a Wright-Grizzly combo would work. I've been a big fan of Ed Joyce but he's always seemed a laid-back leader who led by example. He hasn't scored runs this year and his tactics have been lacking in trying circumstances with injuries and poor form. Together with a lack of progression from the young players and the very weird selections, I think Robinson needs to move on. Unless we pull a brilliant batting performance out the bag, it's relegation and it will give time for a new regime to develop in Div 2.
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Old 25th September 2015, 18:15   #1262
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Pro-cycling permitting, is there a job for Matt Prior in the new Sussex coaching set-up that surely has to be installed before next season?

He has just tweeted : "Time to rebuild...no excuses...time to get tough again!"

Is he implying he wants to be part of the rebuilding and would like to help Chris Adams get tough with under-performing former team-mates ?

Sussex really have been an utter shambles this season and it cannot all be explained away by injuries to key bowlers.
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Old 2nd October 2015, 14:08   #1263
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Joyce has been the biggest casualty so far as he has stepped down as skipper to concentrate on playing, which I think is good news on both fronts.
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Old 2nd October 2015, 23:56   #1264
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Is that going to be it then? Take the captaincy from Joyce and all will be well?
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Old 6th October 2015, 10:19   #1265
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Is that going to be it then? Take the captaincy from Joyce and all will be well?
I hope not. The change has to go a lot deeper and the club culture needs to be renewed. At least a good step today with the delayed appointment of Luke Wright as captain over all three formats, with a good choice of words:
“Mine and the coaches’ challenge is to get this club back to winning ways. This starts with not only trying to get back to Division One, but to create a culture that can challenge to win it. "
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Old 6th October 2015, 11:03   #1266
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yes the right appointment which quashes the silly rumour about Luke going to Surrey!

Mark Robinson comes in for plenty of criticism at the moment and plenty is justified, although think Joyce also contributed a lot to this season's woes. Dont think Robbo can just be sacked , as he is an employee with employment rights, so would receive substantial compensation, and dont think we can afford to bring an outsider in, so best option may be a bit of a re-shuffle of the current staff with robbo taking a bit more of a back seat.

my view is that Jon lewis has the most potential to step up and take charge - he is also a proven winner withGloucester as a player (10 trophies or something like that). The Wright-Lewis combo with Robbo advising but not interfering too much has potential to give some much needed dynamism back to Sussex

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Old 6th October 2015, 14:14   #1267
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Excellent news for Sussex, but why was it a "silly" rumour that Surrey were after him? Smart move by them ,surely, if they could have persuaded him to leave. The other half of the "silly" rumour - that Sussex were desperate to hang on to Wright and had offered him the captaincy in all three formats - turned out to be true, didn't it?

Interesting comments about the need for Mark Robinson to take a back seat. If Sussex want shot of him but can't afford to pay him off, there are a couple of other big jobs around at the moment that he might be persuaded to take. I think the ECB and Essex are both currently head-hunting for senior coaching posts?
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Old 6th October 2015, 14:26   #1268
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Excellent news for Sussex, but why was it a "silly" rumour that Surrey were after him? Smart move by them ,surely, if they could have persuaded him to leave. The other half of the "silly" rumour - that Sussex were desperate to hang on to Wright and had offered him the captaincy in all three formats - turned out to be true, didn't it?
Well rumours of migration do fly around....we've had enough of them at Kent. I've no idea how they start. But, strangely, the player in question very often ends up with a better deal.
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Old 6th October 2015, 14:46   #1269
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Well rumours of migration do fly around....we've had enough of them at Kent. I've no idea how they start. But, strangely, the player in question very often ends up with a better deal.

The rumours about football transfers - and there are dozens of them every day if you read the back pages of the red-tops - are usually planted by players' agents. I suspect the same is increasingly true in cricket.
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Don't know the ins & outs of this agreement but if Wright is to captain in all games and forgo his globetrotting T20 exploits then I guess he would be earning less?
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Don't know the ins & outs of this agreement but if Wright is to captain in all games and forgo his globetrotting T20 exploits then I guess he would be earning less?
Luke plays in the big bash in dec/ jan and looks like he may play in the Pakistani one and maybe in the NZ one - dont think any of those interfere with the county season. The ipl does, but dont think he is wanted in that and he said last year he wasnt going to put his name forward anyway
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Luke plays in the big bash in dec/ jan and looks like he may play in the Pakistani one and maybe in the NZ one - dont think any of those interfere with the county season. The ipl does, but dont think he is wanted in that and he said last year he wasnt going to put his name forward anyway
At least until the English knockout List A competition is played in February in the Caribbean.....
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yes the right appointment which quashes the silly rumour about Luke going to Surrey!

Mark Robinson comes in for plenty of criticism at the moment and plenty is justified, although think Joyce also contributed a lot to this season's woes. Dont think Robbo can just be sacked , as he is an employee with employment rights, so would receive substantial compensation, and dont think we can afford to bring an outsider in, so best option may be a bit of a re-shuffle of the current staff with robbo taking a bit more of a back seat.

my view is that Jon lewis has the most potential to step up and take charge - he is also a proven winner withGloucester as a player (10 trophies or something like that). The Wright-Lewis combo with Robbo advising but not interfering too much has potential to give some much needed dynamism back to Sussex
Interesting about Robbo, is he on some sort of rolling contract, or does he sign up for x years at a time? It's not great for the club if they feel they have to keep someone because they're too expensive to sack.
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doubt it really matters what contract Robbo is on (and no idea what that is) - he is an employee by normally accepted definitions and therefore has employment rights - indeed he has been working for Sussex for nearly 20 years
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Surely there is a difference if his contract is about to run out, you could just choose not to renew it, or the less time left on it the less you have to pay in compensation. Otherwise you'd end up with someone forever despite gradual decline in performance over a few years.
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Old 7th October 2015, 17:15   #1278
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Obviously we are lacking some details here, but in general I'd like to think that Sussex have a duty to treat Robbo with respect.

If i had been working somewhere for 20 years, I dont think i'd take kindly to be told "we think youre rubbish now, there's the door", which seems to be what some are advocating!

There would surely have to be a compensation package and reckon Robbo still has polenty to offer anyway, whcih is why I am suggesting a slightly different role
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Obviously we are lacking some details here, but in general I'd like to think that Sussex have a duty to treat Robbo with respect.

If i had been working somewhere for 20 years, I dont think i'd take kindly to be told "we think youre rubbish now, there's the door", which seems to be what some are advocating!

There would surely have to be a compensation package and reckon Robbo still has polenty to offer anyway, whcih is why I am suggesting a slightly different role
That sounds very similar to the Murray Goodwin case - am I right in recalling that Sussex supporters wanted to keep him as a mark of respect for past glories when he was well past his sell-by date ? But Mark Robinson took the tough and unpopular decision that his best was behind him and that he had to go.

As a life-long trade unionist, I'm all for treating workers with respect and if Sussex have enough left in the Spen Cama kitty to be able to afford a director of cricket on a six figure salary whose role doesn't involve any part in the day-to-day running of the team, then that is great news.

Moxon does it at Yorks, Fraser at Middx and Stewart at Surrey, but we're talking the three richest counties in the country here. Every other team in div two would regard it as an unsustainable luxury; but if Mark Robinson is content with a salaried boardroom role and Sussex can afford to pay him, then why not?

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Moxon does it at Yorks, Fraser at Middx and Stewart at Surrey, but we're talking the three richest counties in the country here. Every other team in div two would regard it as an unsustainable luxury; but if Mark Robinson is content with a salaried boardroom role and Sussex can afford to pay him, then why not?
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