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Old 1st November 2019, 15:28   #81
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For the Dutch team, winning the tournament probably means that get another article in the national sports news. They got one after the group stage and one after they qualified. That's important publicity for a small sport.
A little bit pleased for them as I played in NL on tour this summer. Disappointed that Ireland have slid quite a distance back from where they were 4 years ago.
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Old 1st November 2019, 16:23   #82
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A little bit pleased for them as I played in NL on tour this summer. Disappointed that Ireland have slid quite a distance back from where they were 4 years ago.
To be fair, Ireland have never been overly adept at T20 cricket. Their record is rather poor in the format.

They certainly haven't been as potent as they have been in 50 over WC's.
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Old 1st November 2019, 17:44   #83
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Ireland really messed up the run chase after a good start.
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Old 1st November 2019, 18:14   #84
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Ireland really messed up the run chase after a good start.
Looks like batting second getting really hard in this tournament now, although Namibia have held PNG to only 130. Worth checking out a catch by Erasmus, a bit like Stokes's against SA in the world cup opener.


Meanwhile the Aussies sweep Sri Lanka. Warner unbeaten across all three games.
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Old 1st November 2019, 19:28   #85
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PNG cruising into the final against the Dutch.
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Old 1st November 2019, 20:26   #86
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Pretty one sided affair at the MCG. Sri Lanka are pretty crap, but made their best score of the series. The crowd was great - mostly Sri Lankans!

I dutifully booed Smith from my seat in the 3rd tier, I’m claiming his dismissal.
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How come the outfield at the MCG was so sandy?
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How come the outfield at the MCG was so sandy?
A more imaginative way to let the ball rough up quickly?
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A more imaginative way to let the ball rough up quickly?
Well Sri Lanka were more guilty of that as most of their returns came in on 2-3 bounces, usually after fumbling the pick up.

They really were rubbish.
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To be fair, Ireland have never been overly adept at T20 cricket. Their record is rather poor in the format.

They certainly haven't been as potent as they have been in 50 over WC's.
Bit of a fallacy really, Ireland have had their moments in the World Cup but no more than Kenya, although a more solid foundation in their players being able to play at a good level in the English county system.

Ireland ODI record vs AUS/BAN/ENG/IND/NZL/PAK/SAF/SRL/WIN

vs AUS : P5 W0 L4 NR 1
vs BAN : P10 W2 L7 NR 1
vs ENG : P9 W1 L8 NR 1
vs IND : P3 W0 L3 NR 0
vs NZL : P4 W0 L4 NR 0
vs PAK : P7 W1 L4 NR 0 (Tie 1)
vs SAF : P5 W0 L5 NR 0
vs SRL : P4 W0 L4 NR 0
vs WIN : P9 W1 L7 NR 1

Not much "potency" there, the odd wins over England and West Indies in 2015 World Cup, Pakistan in the 2007 World Cup, reputation from that disproportionate.

Even if you plonk them in a weaker group with say WIN, ZIM, BAN, AFG, SCO, and NED they don't exactly make a strong case for Test status

IRE vs AFG/BAN/NED/SCO/WIN/ZIM

P19 W44 L38 NR 5 Tie 2

Won and lost six against Zimbabwe, won 13 and lost 13 against Afghanistan, won 15 against Scotland and 7 against Netherlands, but frankly that's not an impressive record, certainly not as good as you would expect to suggest Test status was merited.

Difference between them and Kenya from the mid 1990s to early 2000s? Ireland got Test status, Bangladesh got it instead of Kenya. I can only conclude the domestic set up clinched it, although where a lot of Ireland players develop/hone their skills to first class level is hardly in Ireland.
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PNG cruising into the final against the Dutch.
I don't know if anyone noticed but the top 3 in Group A could well be 1-3 in the competition overall, only Ireland can prevent that by finishing third.

Can't really see why anyone should make excuses for Ireland, if they are Test and ODI quality which they are probably a bit short in both, they should be able to play T20s............ it's not as if they're facing Australia, England and the likes....

I hope at least 1-2 can put up a decent show in the World Cup itself, otherwise it only strengthens the case not to have anything but Test sides in World Cups.

I know I was reasonably vocal about the (near/complete) exclusion of the minnows in this year's World Cup, but there is a balance. What is happening here is a bit shy of the Eurovision approach, but something like that isn't a bad idea. Have the weaker Test sides play in qualifiers and only a handful of the elite automatically go into the finals.

Having these sides mix it with Afghanistan, West Indies, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and, if they hadn't been unbanned too late, Zimbabwe, would do these sides plenty more good than coasting through a far weaker competition and get annihilated in the finals............ well actually the format seems to try and erase them at the first group stage, what I'm advocating that THIS be the first group stage thus making the finals a showpiece event not a snoozefest waking up only after 1/3+ of the games are played
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A more imaginative way to let the ball rough up quickly?
It wasn't much better than that pitch in Antigua where a test had to be abandoned.
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You have to feel sorry for the Namibian bowlers. Twice they've done the job and the batsmen have completely messed up.
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I hope at least 1-2 can put up a decent show in the World Cup itself, otherwise it only strengthens the case not to have anything but Test sides in World Cups.
That's really cricket's class problem. Other sports don't have a problem with a World Cup with a bunch of no hopers. Even basketball, where they might as well just hand the cup to the USA if all their top players deign to show up, has a 32 team tournament.
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That's really cricket's class problem. Other sports don't have a problem with a World Cup with a bunch of no hopers. Even basketball, where they might as well just hand the cup to the USA if all their top players deign to show up, has a 32 team tournament.
Indeed. Japan in the Rugby are a case in point. Battered by NZ 145-17 in 1995, quarter-finalists this time round.

There's also the question of whether cricket's top brass / international sides want anybody else muscling in. Personally i dont think they do and i wonder whether they just view them as an inconvenience.
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Netherlands comfortably win the final against PNG, although both sides will take a lot of heart from this tournament. The Dutch have a balanced side with capable players, including a few wily veterans, so shouldn't be taken lightly next year.
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That's really cricket's class problem. Other sports don't have a problem with a World Cup with a bunch of no hopers. Even basketball, where they might as well just hand the cup to the USA if all their top players deign to show up, has a 32 team tournament.
Cricket is still living much in the C19 come early C20, giving countries Test status is as dated a process as the old election system to go into the football league and even more dated than the one promotion spot for conference sides IF their ground etc was deemed up to scratch.

If you're not wearing a shirt and tie you're not coming in, or "this is a men's club"......... Cricket needs to wake up more to the C21 than it has

Whilst tiers might place eg Netherlands in the third level of cricket, at least it offers promotion prospects and mixing it with say West Indies, Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, maybe not the top top sides but at least not other countries with the same dilemma.

Which is the bigger news out of this competition, winning it or securing a place at the competition proper? Football often talks of 'demoting' countries like San Marino, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein etc to prequalifiers, and there is a case for it because their team if conceding 5+ goals half their time does little good for anyone, but balance that with exposure and getting to play the big teams, I mean who would want to take up football in any small nation if the most they're likely to do is play for their country against Malta, Azerbaijan, Andorra, etc?

In some ways I guess the Nations League, if not perfect, helps address it a bit but some countries will never likely climb very far, and a lack of anything positive to put in their papers can't help that. I guess giving Ireland Test status at least gives the sport more publicity, but the structure is just overloaded, maybe the new Test championship will help solve that (a bit)
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Watched bits and pieces of the 'Big Dance' qualifier, was an entertaining watch tbf. Just a question about Papua New Guinea and Namibia, do they have any involvement with the domestic set-up in Aus/SA? I know their respective rugby league and union sides do, but I haven't heard anything about their cricket sides
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Watched bits and pieces of the 'Big Dance' qualifier, was an entertaining watch tbf. Just a question about Papua New Guinea and Namibia, do they have any involvement with the domestic set-up in Aus/SA? I know their respective rugby league and union sides do, but I haven't heard anything about their cricket sides
Namibia plays in South African domestic cricket, although I think not at the highest level. Donít know about PNG.
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Ireland knocked off the Windies in a high scoring thriller yesterday. Good win for them after struggling in the preceding ODI series. Stirling fired, 95 off 47
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