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Old 19th December 2020, 07:35   #201
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Well I thought that Indiaís batting might be rather brittle against this very good Australian attack, but not quite like that!
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Oh dear India - that is an utter humiliation.
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Old 19th December 2020, 07:49   #203
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Incredible day of cricket. That bowling was as good as it gets.
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Old 19th December 2020, 08:03   #204
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And Burns finishes it off with a six to finish unbeaten. What a script. I don't think i've ever seen a test match spun on its head in such dramatic fashion. India started the day as a hot favourites and end up losing by 8 wickets halfway through the second session. Remarkable. As thrilling as it was it may not be a great result for the series itself. Hopefully it doesn't deflate India too much and the series remains competitive. Disappointed to see Kohli go, but looking forward to see what Gill can do.
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Old 19th December 2020, 08:22   #205
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And Burns finishes it off with a six to finish unbeaten. What a script. I don't think i've ever seen a test match spun on its head in such dramatic fashion. India started the day as a hot favourites and end up losing by 8 wickets halfway through the second session. Remarkable. As thrilling as it was it may not be a great result for the series itself. Hopefully it doesn't deflate India too much and the series remains competitive. Disappointed to see Kohli go, but looking forward to see what Gill can do.
The only match I can think of that is remotely comparable was Australia's 3rd innings collapse in SA about 10 years ago or so when they had about a 200 run first innings lead.

I can't see this being anything other than 4-0 now. When Hazlewood gets the right wicket he knows exactly how to use it, very McGrath like.

Jock's earlier good vibes for the Ashes didn't last long, unless he can see an injury crisis in the Aussie fast bowling ranks.
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Old 19th December 2020, 09:28   #206
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The only match I can think of that is remotely comparable was Australia's 3rd innings collapse in SA about 10 years ago or so when they had about a 200 run first innings lead.

I can't see this being anything other than 4-0 now. When Hazlewood gets the right wicket he knows exactly how to use it, very McGrath like.

Jock's earlier good vibes for the Ashes didn't last long, unless he can see an injury crisis in the Aussie fast bowling ranks.
Harmison's 7/12 along a similar vein, perhaps, although England did have a 28 run first innings lead.
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The only match I can think of that is remotely comparable was Australia's 3rd innings collapse in SA about 10 years ago or so when they had about a 200 run first innings lead.
Good shout. Went from Michael Clarke making one of the most sublime centuries of all time to Haddin running down the wicket at Philander while Aus are like 5-20 to complete one of the dumbest things committed by a batsman of all time. At least the following test made up for it.
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Old 19th December 2020, 10:48   #208
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The only match I can think of that is remotely comparable was Australia's 3rd innings collapse in SA about 10 years ago or so when they had about a 200 run first innings lead.

I can't see this being anything other than 4-0 now. When Hazlewood gets the right wicket he knows exactly how to use it, very McGrath like.

Jock's earlier good vibes for the Ashes didn't last long, unless he can see an injury crisis in the Aussie fast bowling ranks.
Although I think England have potentially a strong 3-7 canít help thinking we will regularly be 2 for not very many more often than not and expose Root to Cummins all too frequently.
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Harmison's 7/12 along a similar vein, perhaps, although England did have a 28 run first innings lead.
Didn't England do similar in the W Indies, had a small lead then got bowled out for about 60. I remember Bell being dropped off the back of it. Think Jermaine Taylor may have taken a load of wickets.
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Didn't England do similar in the W Indies, had a small lead then got bowled out for about 60. I remember Bell being dropped off the back of it. Think Jermaine Taylor may have taken a load of wickets.
That was 2009, when they started their second innings 90 behind and lost by an innings and 40. 51ao I think.
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Oh, perhaps the most famous might be when Sri Lanka were bowled out for 80 in the last twenty overs of the match against England in 2011. How that result came to be has been questioned since, I think.
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Oh, perhaps the most famous might be when Sri Lanka were bowled out for 80 in the last twenty overs of the match against England in 2011. How that result came to be has been questioned since, I think.
It did seem a bit dodgy at the time, not so much the idea that a team could get bowled out cheaply but I remember Sri Lanka burning their reviews for the most obvious dismissals.
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Old 20th December 2020, 02:20   #214
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Shami out for the series, unfortunately. They'll have to debut one of Saini or Siraj, a tough ask on an MCG wicket. Pant will come in for Saha surely, and as well as Ashwin bowled I think you have to play Jadeja if fit. My feeling is Shaw will keep his spot. As for Australia, I have no idea whether Warner/Pucovski will be fit but I think Head will be the fall guy if anyone is forced out of the side. As potent as Australias bowling attack is, it would be madness to not field the extra bowling option on that turgid MCG deck.
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It was an utter disaster watching India collapse. Deadly as Cummins and Hazlewood were, the lack of application from the Indian batsmen were quite disappointing. We will need to have a replacement for Shaw, probably have Pujara open along with Agarwal. Vihari could come in at 3 with Rahane at 4 and Gill at 5. Pant could be our 6 with Jadeja at 7 and Saha at 8. The pace bowlers could be Bumrah, Yadav and Saini.

While Ashwin did well in the first test, he typically tends to not perform in subsequent tests of overseas tests. Also, once Rohit Sharma is back, I might look at bringing him in place of Pant in batting. Saha is a much better keeper, so I'd prefer retaining him.
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Prithvi Shaw might get replaced, but it'll be quite unfair to give him just one game. That's like saying, "We're picking you just to be sure you won't perform." There needs to be some consistency and just based on that, I think he should get another game. I would have preferred Gill/Rahul in the first game, but you can't be so finicky. If you've picked Shaw, go with it.

I don't see such a big shuffle of the batting order based on one game. This is by large the same batting order as the last time when we won. I think Gill comes in at 4, or at 5 and Rahane moves up to 4. I would like to see Rahane at 4, taking more responsibility. He has good stats but his average of 40 is more because he scores 40 every game, not big hundreds. We need those.

I also don't see a situation where Pant and Saha both play - I'd rather get in Rahul. Vihari remains at 6 for me. I don't know how the MCG pitch is, but I'm guessing it won't require two spinners. Ashwin stays in, and I think Saini comes in for Shami.

Once Rohit Sharma is in, he opens. No doubts. Shaw loses his spot regardless of his performance next match sadly. Mayank is a main stay.
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Prithvi Shaw might get replaced, but it'll be quite unfair to give him just one game. That's like saying, "We're picking you just to be sure you won't perform." There needs to be some consistency and just based on that, I think he should get another game. I would have preferred Gill/Rahul in the first game, but you can't be so finicky. If you've picked Shaw, go with it.

I don't see such a big shuffle of the batting order based on one game. This is by large the same batting order as the last time when we won. I think Gill comes in at 4, or at 5 and Rahane moves up to 4. I would like to see Rahane at 4, taking more responsibility. He has good stats but his average of 40 is more because he scores 40 every game, not big hundreds. We need those.

I also don't see a situation where Pant and Saha both play - I'd rather get in Rahul. Vihari remains at 6 for me. I don't know how the MCG pitch is, but I'm guessing it won't require two spinners. Ashwin stays in, and I think Saini comes in for Shami.

Once Rohit Sharma is in, he opens. No doubts. Shaw loses his spot regardless of his performance next match sadly. Mayank is a main stay.
Much more measured than me, but my worry is that Prithvi Shaw has been getting out in similar fashion from the start of the tour (or at least once the longer matches started). As you said, he shouldn't even have been picked in the first place, but do we really need to continue with him, knowing very well how he is going to get out? For the likes of Cummins or Starc, it is all about just putting the ball at a good length, on or outside off stump and give it a bit of swing or even seam movement off the pitch and Prithvi Shaw will gift them his wicket.
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Much more measured than me, but my worry is that Prithvi Shaw has been getting out in similar fashion from the start of the tour (or at least once the longer matches started). As you said, he shouldn't even have been picked in the first place, but do we really need to continue with him, knowing very well how he is going to get out? For the likes of Cummins or Starc, it is all about just putting the ball at a good length, on or outside off stump and give it a bit of swing or even seam movement off the pitch and Prithvi Shaw will gift them his wicket.
Hmm. Deckchairs and Titanic are words that pop to mind in this instance. India surely knew the risks going to Adelaide. Sticking with the plan is preferable, since everyone failed abjectly. The wicket at the MCG is liable to be benign, but maybe will have some life on day one. Hopefully, Australia bat first.
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Much more measured than me, but my worry is that Prithvi Shaw has been getting out in similar fashion from the start of the tour (or at least once the longer matches started). As you said, he shouldn't even have been picked in the first place, but do we really need to continue with him, knowing very well how he is going to get out? For the likes of Cummins or Starc, it is all about just putting the ball at a good length, on or outside off stump and give it a bit of swing or even seam movement off the pitch and Prithvi Shaw will gift them his wicket.
To be fair, the Aussies kept doing it with Warner for 5 Tests in the last Ashes.
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To be fair, the Aussies kept doing it with Warner for 5 Tests in the last Ashes.
India do have decent alternative options - Rahul, Gill - the next cab of the rank for Australia were Marcus Harris or Cam Bancroft, both of whom are so bad that Matthew Wade isnow preferred ahead of them. I agree with Confused Male. India are shooting themselves in the foot persisting with Shaw at this point, and may damage his confidence in the long term. A flat MCG wicket might save him, but at Brisbane? Forget about it.

Jadeja completed his net session today. Think he's firmly in contention to play, if just to put a lefty into the mix. India don't really produce many world class left hand batsman do they? The only ones who come to mind that average in excess of 40 at test level are Ganguly and Gambir. It's kinda odd.
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