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Old 10th January 2021, 09:42   #341
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They're banging on about it again now, bagging Pujara ... but surely he did better than anyone else in the Indian team? OK yes it would have been better if he had faced the same number of balls and scored more runs, but that's true of every player in every innings.
Worth pointing out that Pujara spent 54 overs of his innings batting against an old ball. The 5th wicket partnership of which the first 12 overs were against an old ball was 50 runs off 115 balls, of which Pant scored 35. He's surely got to do more in this period when batting is easier. No surprise they were blown away by the new ball.....but they should have had more runs at that point.

The more pro-active you can be against the batsman, the more likely you are to get bad balls too.

However, Pujara might be able to save them today.
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Old 10th January 2021, 10:47   #342
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... The more pro-active you can be against the batsman, the more likely you are to get bad balls too ...
Maybe. The more likely you are to get out though.

I think the Australian commentators just don't like Pujara's style of play. They would rather he made it easier for the Australian bowlers to get him out.
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Old 10th January 2021, 11:03   #343
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India will take only having lost the openers by stumps, but geez, it's going to be a tall order. Realistically one of Pujara or Rahane will have to bat through the 3 sessions to save this game. Can't see them getting the runs. Don't think anyone will be criticising Pujara if he makes 50 from 300 balls tomorrow. Really impressed with Greens innings today. Got himself set, got through the new ball, and then accelerated and showed some real power once he got past 50, showing he has multiple gears as a batsman, exactly the skill set we need for a long term no.6, i'd even be batting him above Wade for the next test. A very promising prospect indeed.
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Old 10th January 2021, 13:29   #344
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Maybe. The more likely you are to get out though.

I think the Australian commentators just don't like Pujara's style of play. They would rather he made it easier for the Australian bowlers to get him out.
Agree with you on this. There's a complex balance of risk and reward to batting and anyone good at it is making constant internal, almost certainly mostly sub conscious decisions around these. If they're scoring runs, let them be, is mostly my thought. I remember we used to have arguments about whether Pietersen was too attacking, with you saying he was and me saying it was how he batted and it worked for him, although I do and did get frustrated with batsmen who seem incapable of changing their approach for different match states. Pietersen was a pain in this regard, as while he had different gears and did play some good defensive innings, he never really set himself up to bat to save a game in a third or fourth innings, which felt to me like a big gap in what was otherwise a much more thoughtful game than people gave him credit for.

You hardly ever now see really inappropriately slow batting for the situation. The Boycott's of yesteryear are long gone.
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Old 10th January 2021, 23:10   #345
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Also some poor lbw decisions against India, they seemed to think the stumps were 4 ft tall. Good job DRS was there.
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Agree with you on this. There's a complex balance of risk and reward to batting and anyone good at it is making constant internal, almost certainly mostly sub conscious decisions around these. If they're scoring runs, let them be, is mostly my thought. I remember we used to have arguments about whether Pietersen was too attacking, with you saying he was and me saying it was how he batted and it worked for him, although I do and did get frustrated with batsmen who seem incapable of changing their approach for different match states. Pietersen was a pain in this regard, as while he had different gears and did play some good defensive innings, he never really set himself up to bat to save a game in a third or fourth innings, which felt to me like a big gap in what was otherwise a much more thoughtful game than people gave him credit for.

You hardly ever now see really inappropriately slow batting for the situation. The Boycott's of yesteryear are long gone.
Nice to hear from you, Fats. KP seems a long time go now, doesn't he? Happy new year, and best of luck on the NHS frontline. You'd better watch out for Michelle and the apostrophe police though ...
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Old 11th January 2021, 01:09   #347
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India are doing pretty well so far, with Pant playing his aggressive style and Pujara doing what he does best.
I would expect Australia to break through with the second new ball, if not before. Still, they are showing their mettle, as promised by Ashwin in his remarks after the crowd abuse issues.
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Shocker in the field from Australia today after their flawless efforts last innings. A long way to go but Pants innings has bought an Indian victory back into the equation. Lyon the key here as the quicks aren't really troubling these two.

In other news, confirmation that the 4th test will go ahead at the 'Gabba. A good result as the Sydney crowd don't really deserve a second test after their behaviour.
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Pant gone just short of his hundred, a shame as he deserved a ton, that probably rules out an Indian win now, even a draw will be tough if Jadeja doesn't bat.
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Great fighting partnership from Ashwin and an injured Vihari, a draw looking a real possibility for India now.
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Great effort from Ashwin and Vihari to hold on for a draw, had Vihari and Jadeja not been injured they may have even been able to pinch a win.

Australia will be rueing some dropped catches, Paine had a shocker dropping 3 of them.

That draw sets it up nicely for the last test in Brisbane with the series locked at 1-1 with both teams having a chance of winning the series.
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What a draw! That was a wonderful, wonderful fightback by India, with Pant, Jadeja and Vihari injured. While it is true that an Indian win might have been a possibility if Pant had been around, I (and lots of Indian supporters) hadn't given much of a chance to our team surviving four sessions. The fact that we did do that with 5 wickets to spare, with Ashwin and Vihari battling it out at the end was really great to see.
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That was seriously impressive from India, probably even moreso than their win at Melbourne given their injury list and the dire match situation they found themselves in. When Rahane went 2nd over I thought they'd fold by tea at the latest. Other than Starc I thought we bowled quite well. Like ConfusedMale said, that was the worst day Paine has had behind the stumps and he became clearly frustrated. You don't want your captain fined for dissent, and on the wrong side of a sledging battle. That's Ponting/Clarke areas. He needs to check himself. Drawing at the Gabba will be as good as a win and if India can pull it off I think retraining the Trophy this time will be a bigger achievement than their win here 2 years ago. I hope all the controversy is left at Sydney and that Brisbane is another great test match.

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Maybe. The more likely you are to get out though.

I think the Australian commentators just don't like Pujara's style of play. They would rather he made it easier for the Australian bowlers to get him out.
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Agree with you on this. There's a complex balance of risk and reward to batting and anyone good at it is making constant internal, almost certainly mostly sub conscious decisions around these. If they're scoring runs, let them be, is mostly my thought. I remember we used to have arguments about whether Pietersen was too attacking, with you saying he was and me saying it was how he batted and it worked for him, although I do and did get frustrated with batsmen who seem incapable of changing their approach for different match states. Pietersen was a pain in this regard, as while he had different gears and did play some good defensive innings, he never really set himself up to bat to save a game in a third or fourth innings, which felt to me like a big gap in what was otherwise a much more thoughtful game than people gave him credit for.

You hardly ever now see really inappropriately slow batting for the situation. The Boycott's of yesteryear are long gone.
One of the advantages of being a bit more proactive is that you can push the field back, thereby reducing the wicket taking threat. However, I'd argue that it's not necessary to focus too much on one player, more important to look at the balance of the batting lineup and it's components. Pujara fits well for India because there are others, such as Pant, who can score more freely.

Nice to see a side properly bat out a day. A rare commodity these days, but sounds like India might have to call upon some of their fans in the stadium to make up an XI in the next match.
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Of course this game (like so many others) would have been SO much better if Graves et al got their way and Tests were reduced to 4 days...
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A real achievement for India to bat out the game. I wouldn't have given them much of a price but done it they have. I thought that after coming unstuck in NZ last year, India would roll over pretty easily in Australia against a full strength side who have barely dropped a test at home for quite some time, the last vastly understrength series two years ago, apart.

That said, it will be a tough ask for India to get a result now with so many players unavailable through injury for the next match.
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A real achievement for India to bat out the game. I wouldn't have given them much of a price but done it they have. I thought that after coming unstuck in NZ last year, India would roll over pretty easily in Australia against a full strength side who have barely dropped a test at home for quite some time, the last vastly understrength series two years ago, apart.

That said, it will be a tough ask for India to get a result now with so many players unavailable through injury for the next match.
I think with the injuries and lack of bench left for their bowling stocks, they should just stack the batting and bat for a draw. Play Pant as a specialist bat with Saha keeping, and ask Ashwin & Vihari to just bowl a LOT of overs. Brisbane is a lot more conducive to spin than Sydney these days.
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That was seriously impressive from India, probably even moreso than their win at Melbourne given their injury list and the dire match situation they found themselves in. When Rahane went 2nd over I thought they'd fold by tea at the latest. Other than Starc I thought we bowled quite well. Like ConfusedMale said, that was the worst day Paine has had behind the stumps and he became clearly frustrated. You don't want your captain fined for dissent, and on the wrong side of a sledging battle. That's Ponting/Clarke areas. He needs to check himself. Drawing at the Gabba will be as good as a win and if India can pull it off I think retraining the Trophy this time will be a bigger achievement than their win here 2 years ago. I hope all the controversy is left at Sydney and that Brisbane is another great test match.
I've not been able to catch up on the details of what went wrong for Paine yet (Crapinfo is down). Was it worse than Headingley?

His sledging has been asking for trouble for a while, pretending to be funny but not really achieving that. What happened?

Great effort from India though. Do they have 11 fit players for Brisbane?
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I think with the injuries and lack of bench left for their bowling stocks, they should just stack the batting and bat for a draw. Play Pant as a specialist bat with Saha keeping, and ask Ashwin & Vihari to just bowl a LOT of overs. Brisbane is a lot more conducive to spin than Sydney these days.
It's a reasonable option but wasn't Vihari injured as well? I think Jadeja is injured and he will be a big miss in all three departments. That India's spinners have had some impact this series is something of a boon for them. Am I the only thinking that Lyon has been on a bit of a decline in the last 2 years or so? Normally you would back him to have a reasonable impact 5th day of a match, but he hasn't had much impact in a while.
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It's a reasonable option but wasn't Vihari injured as well? I think Jadeja is injured and he will be a big miss in all three departments. That India's spinners have had some impact this series is something of a boon for them. Am I the only thinking that Lyon has been on a bit of a decline in the last 2 years or so? Normally you would back him to have a reasonable impact 5th day of a match, but he hasn't had much impact in a while.
Vihari batted quite well today, so I assume he can at least play as a bat? Lyon had one of his best summers last year, and took 10 wickets at the SCG to bowl Aus to victory against NZ last year. He probably would have bowled us to a win today if Paine didn't shell those chances. I think Lyon has a lot of good cricket left in him. Plus, who's the alternative?
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