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Old 10th February 2021, 19:56   #201
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incidentally is it now a fact that Broad and Anderson cant play in same team - they do remain our two best bowlers
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Old 11th February 2021, 01:13   #202
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incidentally is it now a fact that Broad and Anderson cant play in same team - they do remain our two best bowlers
I think itís more they donít want to be playing them three tests in a row and breaking down. Playing one at a time means thereís always one ready for the next test.
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Old 11th February 2021, 08:46   #203
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I think itís more they donít want to be playing them three tests in a row and breaking down. Playing one at a time means thereís always one ready for the next test.
It's also the fact that we only need 2 seamers plus Stokes on pitches in Sri Lanka and India. With Wood and Archer available to provide extra pace options, there's really only need for one of them.

It will be interesting to see how many matches they play together in the summer. Although with Woakes and Curran of far more use in home conditions, they could again be alternated. I have a feeling it's all about keeping them fresh for the Ashes when they'll probably try and play both as much as possible.
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Old 11th February 2021, 10:17   #204
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Fearing the hornets nest that this will stir up...

If Moeen isn't picked at any stage during this tour, can we say that his Test career is effectively over?

Personally I would've picked him to bat 3 in place of Lawrence and used him as a third spin option for the first Test. That would've been my plan before the Test. Obviously the fact England won (probably their most brilliant overseas victory since I started paying attention in the 13-14 Ashes) means that it's harder to say they "should" have done this now.

Something about that whole situation just doesn't sit right with me. The focus on resting and rotation is all about players' mental health during this pandemic, and I do think that is laudable given how much cricket is being played this year and the rather depressing circumstances we all find ourselves in.

But with that said, if you take Mo as someone who has had quite severe problems in that department in the past, taken time out of the game to get right, proclaims that he's ready to make a comeback, is picked for the squad, and then spends a few weeks in Sri Lankan hotel rooms with COVID and now might spend a few months in Indian hotel rooms under quarantine... all to not play at all... just seems like he will be having a truly rotten time.

Maybe it wasn't intentional. And maybe they would've picked him for the Sri Lanka tests if he wasn't taken ill. But as it is, it feels like one of those weird selectorial choices where they pick someone in a squad and then won't pick them to play because they haven't played in so long. May as well send him home. What do you all think?
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Old 11th February 2021, 10:29   #205
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I think he will play in this series. Possibly not in the next test but as soon as Bess bowls badly and doesn’t get wickets then I reckon he will be rotated.

Leach has spoken about the strain of constant bubble last summer without playing. If moeen doesn’t play this tour then I agree he will sack it off.
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Old 11th February 2021, 10:34   #206
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Another factor is that Moeen hasn't even played a first class game in around 18 months or so and we are asking him to possibly play a test match? It will be a tall order if he does.

If he doesn't get a game then I would understand him if he wanted to sack it off. That said, perhaps he shouldn't do so until after the return series in England this summer. After all he does have a good home bowling record against India.
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Old 11th February 2021, 10:46   #207
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Another factor is that Moeen hasn't even played a first class game in around 18 months or so and we are asking him to possibly play a test match? It will be a tall order if he does.

If he doesn't get a game then I would understand him if he wanted to sack it off. That said, perhaps he shouldn't do so until after the return series in England this summer. After all he does have a good home bowling record against India.
I agree that it's a huge ask to suddenly have the guy come in against arguably the best Test team in the world in their own conditions playing potentially very important roles with both bat and ball with little preparation. There's no question there!

But that was always how it was going to be. If playing FC cricket was always going to be a prerequisite for him to play a match on this tour, why drag him to SL and through India at all? I suppose the only justification is that he's there as an injury replacement.

Maybe they'll see how the series goes to "rotate" him or not, I don't know.
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Old 11th February 2021, 11:52   #208
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England T20 Squad: Eoin Morgan (capt), Moeen Ali, Jofra Archer, Jonny Bairstow, Sam Billings, Jos Buttler, Sam Curran, Tom Curran, Chris Jordan, Liam Livingstone, Dawid Malan, Adil Rashid, Jason Roy, Ben Stokes, Reece Topley, Mark Wood

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Livingstone the beneficiary of Hales' absence. Slightly surprising that no backup spinner to Moeen/Rashid chosen other than Parkinson as a reserve. But looks a full strength squad.
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Old 11th February 2021, 12:27   #209
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I agree that it's a huge ask to suddenly have the guy come in against arguably the best Test team in the world in their own conditions playing potentially very important roles with both bat and ball with little preparation. There's no question there!

But that was always how it was going to be. If playing FC cricket was always going to be a prerequisite for him to play a match on this tour, why drag him to SL and through India at all? I suppose the only justification is that he's there as an injury replacement.

Maybe they'll see how the series goes to "rotate" him or not, I don't know.
I think it is a reasonable question regarding him being on tour in the first place. Of course he might have had a bit more practice if he hadn't caught Covid in Sri Lanka, and I believe others have mentioned this. So he has been unlucky.
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Old 11th February 2021, 12:55   #210
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I think it is a reasonable question regarding him being on tour in the first place. Of course he might have had a bit more practice if he hadn't caught Covid in Sri Lanka, and I believe others have mentioned this. So he has been unlucky.
The question to probably ask is, if not Moeen, who else? That there are no obvious candidates is why Moeen is on tour.
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Old 11th February 2021, 13:15   #211
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The question to probably ask is, if not Moeen, who else? That there are no obvious candidates is why Moeen is on tour.
If Bess (say) broke a finger in practice tomorrow, Moeen would surely play on Saturday.
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The question to probably ask is, if not Moeen, who else? That there are no obvious candidates is why Moeen is on tour.
That's effectively the same situation as for every other member of the squad, then. They are in the squad because at the time of its selection they were considered to be a better bet for imminent test-match performance than the various players who were not selected. This is so regardless of how obvious or otherwise the various non-selected players might be thought to be. If Moeen's lack of first-class cricket was not a reason not to select him in the squad, then I don't see how it can be brought forward as a reason not to select him in the XI. The only consideration should be how well he is liable to perform in comparison with the other options available in the squad. That will be determined, I would imagine, on the basis of Moeen's recent showings in the nets and the gym, and Bess and Leach's recent showings in the tests.
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Back to the drawing board or maybe an experienced curator. I liked the pitch though. I guess no hard pitches from now on.

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I think it is a reasonable question regarding him being on tour in the first place. Of course he might have had a bit more practice if he hadn't caught Covid in Sri Lanka, and I believe others have mentioned this. So he has been unlucky.
I guess if they faced a dust bowl they would have played 3 spinners - but if not then he wont play any red ball bar injury or collapse in form.
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I think he will play in this series. Possibly not in the next test but as soon as Bess bowls badly and doesn’t get wickets then I reckon he will be rotated.

Leach has spoken about the strain of constant bubble last summer without playing. If moeen doesn’t play this tour then I agree he will sack it off.
the way the England selectors put their hamfists to any approach he'll probably be bowling quite well and be dropped due to a lack of runs (batting) !

be ironic if that was Ali's route back into the side
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That's effectively the same situation as for every other member of the squad, then. They are in the squad because at the time of its selection they were considered to be a better bet for imminent test-match performance than the various players who were not selected. This is so regardless of how obvious or otherwise the various non-selected players might be thought to be. If Moeen's lack of first-class cricket was not a reason not to select him in the squad, then I don't see how it can be brought forward as a reason not to select him in the XI. The only consideration should be how well he is liable to perform in comparison with the other options available in the squad. That will be determined, I would imagine, on the basis of Moeen's recent showings in the nets and the gym, and Bess and Leach's recent showings in the tests.
Didn't England bring back Buttler when he wasn't even playing regular red ball cricket....?

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Another factor is that Moeen hasn't even played a first class game in around 18 months or so and we are asking him to possibly play a test match? It will be a tall order if he does.

If he doesn't get a game then I would understand him if he wanted to sack it off. That said, perhaps he shouldn't do so until after the return series in England this summer. After all he does have a good home bowling record against India.
Frankly if I was him I'd have asked for some kind of assurances on likely playing time before agreeing to tour. I realise England could imply or state outright if he didn't tour then he'd find it hard to get back in at all, but that would go against any words they've said about player wellbeing to drag someone off on tour on the offchance he might be needed over any other concerns.......


Then again I have read on BBC that employees are basically being asked to work in conditions they don't feel safe in during Covid and fear they may get the boot if they refuse, such is the wonderful world we live in..........



(even in our workplace we worked from home from March last year until our bosses decided they needed us more on site, and were set to repeat that in January until there was the lockdown. We CAN work from home, we've done so March to July, half the time for August and latter part of 2020 on a rota, and have done so since New Year so CAN is not in doubt, whether we work from home or not still gets decided by someone well below government level)
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We did it with gojo back in the day. The results of that one were disastrous. Well for England at least. They proved ****ing awesome for Notts.
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My long-hoped-for Stokes/Woakes/Foakes moment approaches !! I would imagine Olly Stone is going to be 12th man. Broad will be itching to get at ‘em. It’ll be interesting to see how England cope if India win the toss and bat first. Kohli looked in ominous form on Monday while his team collapsed around him.
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So after England win the pink ball test ... will be another turn from day 1 pitch for the fourth test. This time England will play the third spinner .. .so Virdi or Crane? Heart says Crane ... sense says Virdi!
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