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Old 7th December 2010, 22:36   #1
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Steve Smith (bowling average 50) for Doherty (bowling average, er, 50) looks an obvious change to me.
From watching both, Smith is clearly a much, much better bowler than Doherty. I think I would give Johnson another go instead of a spinner though.

Hughes, Watson, Ponting, Clarke, Hussey, White, Haddin, Johnson, Harris, Siddle, Bollinger

Brilliant performance from England btw
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Old 8th December 2010, 01:36   #2
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As much as I hope we continue our success at Perth and Melbourne, I hope Australia perform better than they have so far. They should replace Katich, North, Doherty and Bollinger with Hughes, Smith, Johnson and Hilfenhaus for the next test, and count on England's amazing batting so far to cool off.
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Old 8th December 2010, 10:41   #3
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They should replace Katich, North..... with Hughes, Smith
This seems to be the popular cry, but am I alone in thinking that replacing Katich and North with Rogers and Dussey would make that team one hell of a lot stronger?
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Old 8th December 2010, 14:32   #4
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I've copied three posts from the match thread to here, to start a discussion on who Australia will pick for the next Test.

Opener

Hughes seems like he's bolted on to open. He was the only one Ponting mentioned as a possible replacement for Katich, despite only averaging 25 in five games in the current Sheffield Shield season. NB mentioned Rogers, but he's only played one game for Victoria - I'm trying to find out why on cricinfo, but whether it's injury or loss of form, his chances of playing for Aus again seem to be long gone. Khawaja is also an outside possibility, averaging 53 this season, though he's more of a middle order batsman being asked to move up the order, and he failed in the Hobart game.

Current season first-class statistics:

Phil Hughes: Avg: 25.12, 8 innings, 1 50, HS 81
Usman Khawaja: Avg: 53.00, 9 innings, 1 100, 3 50s, HS 214
Chris Rogers: Avg: 22.00, 2 innings, 0 50s, HS 26

Number 6

Khawaja and Ferguson could come into the reckoning here, but with the possibility of no specialist spinner being selected, someone with at least part-time spin will be more likely. That would bring Cameron White, David Hussey, and Steve Smith into contention; with Smith being the most likely out of those three. However, with changes being made throughout the team, I could see them sticking with North, if only to reduce the sense of panic. There were quotes floating around after Adelaide how good North was in the dressing room, how much a part of the 'team' he was etc. Of course if he keeps his place, that would suit England just fine.

Cameron White, Batting: Avg 34.00, 6 innings, 1 100, 0 50s, HS 111
Bowling: 6 overs, 0 wickets

David Hussey, Batting: Avg 43.66, 10 innings, 1 100, 1 50, HS 122
Bowling: 49.2 overs, 4 wickets, Avg 38.25

Steve Smith, Batting: Avg 25, 7 innings, 2 50s, HS 70
Bowling: 83.3 overs, 8 wickets, Avg 39.75

Marcus North, Batting: Avg 27.5, 9 innings, 1 100, 0 50s, HS 101
Bowling: 47.0 overs, 1 wicket, Avg 138
[Test Batting: Avg 16.33, 0 50s, HS 26]
[Test Bowling: 38 overs, 1 wicket, Avg 110]


Bowling

It will be all change again at Perth, with only Ryan Harris really coming out of the last test with any credit. Doherty's brief Test career looks gone already - he could easily go the way of Cullen, Casson and Krejza out of his state side too. Bollinger looked well down on peak fitness after being rushed back from injury, so seems likely to get the chop as well. Even after a Brisbane hat-trick Peter Siddle's place could come under scrutiny; though surely they won't knee-jerk that hard and ditch him too. Therefore that leaves two places up for grabs, with Johnson, Hilfenhaus and Hauritz the options.

All their stats are pretty crap to be honest - just a matter whether they want a spinner or not. Hauritz is averaging a respectable 27.54 in Shield cricket, out of interest.
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Old 8th December 2010, 14:58   #5
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I'd love it if the Aussies picked Steve Smith in the top 6 AND as their sole spinner.
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Old 8th December 2010, 17:09   #6
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I'd love it if the Aussies picked Steve Smith in the top 6 AND as their sole spinner.
Spin has traditionally not been so much of a factor at Perth, although Monty did well there on the last Ashes tour. Still, the spinner gets to ply his trade if the quick merchants can't get the job done, which was the case in that match, as I recall it.


Everyone keeps mentioning that the WACA is not the lightning-fast track that it used to be, in which case Swann should continue to be a key factor for us. Australia, however, have to play to their strengths, such as they are. They have to pray that Mitchell Johnson finds his mojo.
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I don't think Australia will pick a specialist spinner - four pacemen, and it's more likely to favour medium than express pace. So, Harris and Siddle are more or less nailed on, Hilfenhaus for his swing, and that leaves a straight run off between Johnson and Bollinger for the final place. All things being equal, Bollinger would get it on the stength of his recent test record, however his fitness is very much in doubt.

As for the batting, Hughes is a cert to replace Katich. North doesn't cut it, but it's his home turf and the opportunity to blood Kwaja has been missed. Maybe Ferguson might get his chance.
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Old 9th December 2010, 07:12   #8
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They'd be utter nuts to pick Steve Smith as a spinner, as a replacement for North and bowl a few overs possibly but he is little better than Cameron White as a bowler and I've mentioned elsewhere that White would be a contender for that no.6 spot. Having essentially a bits and pieces player is asking for trouble.
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Old 9th December 2010, 11:49   #9
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They'd be utter nuts to pick Steve Smith as a spinner, as a replacement for North and bowl a few overs possibly but he is little better than Cameron White as a bowler and I've mentioned elsewhere that White would be a contender for that no.6 spot. Having essentially a bits and pieces player is asking for trouble.
If it were the other way round and England selectors were contemplating blooding a young all-rounder in a crucial 3rd test, I'd be saying what you are saying. However, Aus have been criticised for failing to bring along the next generation and allowng the stocks to be bare. They may be desperate enough to pick Smith as a signal to the rest of the squad that it's now or never.
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They'd be utter nuts to pick Steve Smith as a spinner, as a replacement for North and bowl a few overs possibly but he is little better than Cameron White as a bowler and I've mentioned elsewhere that White would be a contender for that no.6 spot. Having essentially a bits and pieces player is asking for trouble.
Very harsh on Smith's bowling there. White is the worst leg-spinner I have ever seen. I like Smith's action but blooding him now in an Ashes would be a bit risky, what with the England batsmen being in such prime form. I struggle to take his batting seriously, so wouldn't pick him at 6. White's aggressive batting and quality of fielding would make him my choice at number 6. IIRC he has also played well against England in ODIs recently. Australia have no option other than to give England a barrage of pace, so they can recall Johnson and hope he's had a kick up the arse. Hauritz was very unlucky to be dropped for Doherty - utterly brainless - but I think he isn't likely to win a game for Australia, which they have to do twice at least now.

Agreed with NB about Rogers and Dussey, and I would throw Jaques in there too. They, along with Hughes and White, are far superior players to North and it can only be favouratism that has lead to him being picked for so long instead of them. Ferguson looks short of the quality to step up and I haven't seen enough of Khawaja to make comment either way, other than that England won't fear him at all.

And cheers Rey for starting the thread for me.
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The dangers of picking Smith are somewhat alleviated by North's presence in the team. If they reckon he's capable of doing the holding spinner's role (and he probably is on a good day) then the onus on Smith to bowl lots of overs is reduced, and his selection becomes a less risky one.

North and Smith are a mutually reinforcing pair, and I'd play them together, with Haddin moving up to 6, and Smith coming in at 8 where he could really hurt England. I'd also switch Hussey and Ponting around in the order; Ponting is still a good batsman, but he's no longer a reliable No.3, and I think England are relishing the chance to get at him with the new ball.

Whatever they do with the seam bowlers, Hilfenhaus must play. I'd go for him with Harris and Siddle; the best Aussie bowlers so far, having that trio also means there's no left-armer to create helpful footmarks for Swann.
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Jaques, by the way, has barely scored a run in Shield cricket this year. And that after a terrible stint for Worcester last county season. Rogers hasn't played since October, don't know if he's injured.
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Can see the journos, especially the English tabloids, having a field day making puns with Beer's name. I've already seen an 'Australia taps Beer to end Ashes drought' headline today.

No doubt if he bowls badly there will be the Cold Beer, Flat Beer or Beer Loses His Head puns being trotted out.
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I've just realised what has happened here. It is all a big, big misunderstanding.

Greg Chappell: "Shane, your country needs you. We are absolutely in the ditch with our spinners. Would you consider making Australia proud again by reviving your test career? We'll find bucketloads of cash to make it worth your while, and just think of all the publicity for your show!"

Shane Warne: "Look, mate, thanks for the offer, it's very flattering and all that, but I'd far rather just go for a Beer"

Andrew Hilditch: "What did he say Greg? That he thinks Beer is the far better option? Well, he's Shane Warne, and he should know spin bowlers, which we most certainly do not ... Alright then, Beer it is".
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Lolz. Also I've seen it suggested that Warne was on the phone to the police five minutes after he lent Pietersen that Lamborghini ("some effin' Pom's nicked my motor!").
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Old 10th December 2010, 17:33   #17
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I've just realised what has happened here. It is all a big, big misunderstanding.

Greg Chappell: "Shane, your country needs you. We are absolutely in the ditch with our spinners. Would you consider making Australia proud again by reviving your test career? We'll find bucketloads of cash to make it worth your while, and just think of all the publicity for your show!"

Shane Warne: "Look, mate, thanks for the offer, it's very flattering and all that, but I'd far rather just go for a Beer"

Andrew Hilditch: "What did he say Greg? That he thinks Beer is the far better option? Well, he's Shane Warne, and he should know spin bowlers, which we most certainly do not ... Alright then, Beer it is".
David Boon is also one of the Aussie selectors (the current holder of the beer drinking record from Australia to England).

I can see them running through the spinning options at the selection meeting.

Andrew Hilditch: Ok guys I've narrowed it down to Doherty, Hauritz, O'Keefe and Beer. Thoughts?

David Boon: Beer?

Greg Chappell: You like Beer Boonie?

David Boon: F***ing oath I do.

Andrew Hilditch: OK Boonie seems pretty sold on Beer, I reckon we'll just go with that.
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Apparently he's 26 and played 5 first class games or something daft. Mentals.
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Old 10th December 2010, 21:20   #19
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We laughed when they picked Peter Taylor all those years ago.
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It's not like we haven't done something similar over the years. Ormond anyone?
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