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Old 20th June 2018, 19:55   #801
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Wasn't Moeen one of the fastest England spinners to 50 test wickets?
I'm pretty sure that a lot of spinners in the past would have been discarded before getting to 50 wickets if they'd bowled like Ali. He's now got the worst bowling average in this history of the England team for anyone with more than 100 wickets I believe.
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Old 20th June 2018, 23:38   #802
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I'm pretty sure that a lot of spinners in the past would have been discarded before getting to 50 wickets if they'd bowled like Ali. He's now got the worst bowling average in this history of the England team for anyone with more than 100 wickets I believe.
Or to look at it another way...

Moeen faster than Botham, Sobers, Imran to 2000 runs and 100 wickets

This shouldn't hijack the rashid thread.

Adil averages 42 in tests doesn't he?
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Old 20th June 2018, 23:50   #803
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Or to look at it another way...

Adil averages 42 in tests doesn't he?
Perhaps why he's been exiled to the white ball stuff.
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Old 21st June 2018, 09:47   #804
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I wonder if he sees it as ‘exile’. I bet playing in the LO stuff is a lot more fun at the moment.
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Old 21st June 2018, 09:57   #805
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I wonder if he sees it as ‘exile’. I bet playing in the LO stuff is a lot more fun at the moment.
I don't think he likes the longer form of the game. He's never really bowled long spells in the county game and he's now cut the 4 day game out completely. I'm also not sure he really enjoys the touring for months on end that come with playing all formats. He's a much more accurate bowler than 3 or 4 years ago, so probably is better placed as a test bowler, but its one thing having the potential another the desire. He'll make more money on the T20 circuit doing what he enjoys, so why would he change it?
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Old 21st June 2018, 10:16   #806
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Agree completely. However I do wonder if some of our successful white ball specialists might reconsider things if we were to win the World Cup, having conquered the one day game would the likes of Rashid, Hales, Roy then focus, jointly focus or refocus on first class and test cricket, like Buttler is doing now?
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Rashid apparently is not on great terms with Root and Cook was no great expert at managing spinners to say the least. Not really surprising he prefers the one day outfit.
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Old 21st June 2018, 12:18   #808
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Agree completely. However I do wonder if some of our successful white ball specialists might reconsider things if we were to win the World Cup, having conquered the one day game would the likes of Rashid, Hales, Roy then focus, jointly focus or refocus on first class and test cricket, like Buttler is doing now?
I'm not fully convinced Buttler is that bothered with test cricket and wouldn't be shocked if he kicks it in to touch. One or two on the list might do but if they prefer one format over another why would they. The rugby 7s circuit is almost a seperate sport to 15s, with a little cross over. The rise of T20 has magnified the differences and it's mentally quite difficult even in club cricket to switch formats. Purely as a financial decision there is more money in white ball cricket than test cricket, although not playing tests at the moment seems to preclude TV contracts on retirement.

One or two of the ODI players haven't really got a batting style to play the moving ball, so even if they want to try probably won't get the chance.
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Old 21st June 2018, 12:23   #809
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I suspect Buttler would love to succeed at test cricket.

I think this was a chance he wasn't expecting to get. Now he's got it he'll be desperate to make the most of it.
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Well either that or he was lying through his teeth on Tuffers and Vaughan the other week.
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Cook was no great expert at managing spinners to say the least. Not really surprising he prefers the one day outfit.
AAAaaarrrggghhh - We won in India, opening with Monty and Swann coming on to bowl very early. Cook's captaincy was much better than it is often portrayed and certainly does not suffer in comparison to Root's.
I don't know Rashid's motivations but he did surprisingly pull out of a County Championship deciding match. Some decent FC performances and I would have thought he'd be in the Test team?
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... I don't know Rashid's motivations but he did surprisingly pull out of a County Championship deciding match. Some decent FC performances and I would have thought he'd be in the Test team?
He shouldn't have been dropped from the test team after the India tour. The only explanation I've heard for it is that Root doesn't like him, and sadly that's a very credible explanation. Maybe he'll take up red-ball cricket again after Root has been sacked for being a useless captain.
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AAAaaarrrggghhh - We won in India, opening with Monty and Swann coming on to bowl very early. Cook's captaincy was much better than it is often portrayed and certainly does not suffer in comparison to Root's.
I don't know Rashid's motivations but he did surprisingly pull out of a County Championship deciding match. Some decent FC performances and I would have thought he'd be in the Test team?
I think that was a huge tactical error by Dhoni making it a shootout between the spinners. If they'd made it a road that took lots of concentration we'd have crumbled in a heap, but on a pitch turning from ball one Swann and Monty were as dangerous as anyone. You then have Cook in the form of his career and a genius in the middle order, and you're in with a great chance. It's sad that Rashid never got a home Test, but with leg spinners you need a captain that is happy to accept they're going to bowl some rubbish as well as be a danger.
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Looks like he is staying at Yorkshire now, and available for all cricket.
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