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Old 11th July 2007, 21:55   #121
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I presume he would be used to contain rather than attack.

Isn't this how Warne was developed?
I have no idea about Warne. But the comment about containment, that really depends doesn't it?

If you've got some crap captain like Vaughan or Collingwood then yeah you'll be hung out to dry with the most defensive fields on the planet. I don't see how that would actually change his ability to bowl or turn him into damaged goods. Panesar bowls defensive guff during ODI's yet he still takes wickets in Tests. Have you got a bowler in mind who you think has been 'wrecked' by playing one dayers? I can't recall any. It all just sounds a bit 'PC', wrap him up in cotton wool, nanny state nonsense really. Let him play!

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Old 12th July 2007, 12:21   #122
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I saw Rashid bowled for the time today and thought he bowled a little too short. Still, his figures were excellent and he's got plenty of time to work on his control. He may already be the second best spin bowler in the country.
I think that's the most important point. It's all very well wrapping him up in cotton wool but if he's the next best thing then he has to go to Sri Lanka. Keedy looked good as well, he should go as Monty's back-up with Rashid there if we need to play a second spinner. I don't think we could play Monty and Keedy in the same team
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Old 12th July 2007, 12:30   #123
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I think that's the most important point. It's all very well wrapping him up in cotton wool but if he's the next best thing then he has to go to Sri Lanka. Keedy looked good as well, he should go as Monty's back-up with Rashid there if we need to play a second spinner. I don't think we could play Monty and Keedy in the same team
Good point for reasons of the tail, but also I think it would be better to have two different types of spinners rather than two SLAs.
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Old 12th July 2007, 12:39   #124
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Hmmm, I was against Rashid going to Sri Lanka initially, but I am rapidly coming round to the idea. He clearly is the second best spinner in England and if he was 29 rather than 19 there would be no question of him not going.

However on balance I'm going to remain cautious and say he shouldn't go. A 19 year old leg spinner is a delicate thing and bowling spin agaisnt Sri Lanka is a tough task at the best of times.

One long term injury to Giles has left us completely bereft in the spin department, if Monty were to get injured we'd be completely snookered.
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Old 12th July 2007, 12:42   #125
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I think that's the most important point. It's all very well wrapping him up in cotton wool but if he's the next best thing then he has to go to Sri Lanka. Keedy looked good as well, he should go as Monty's back-up with Rashid there if we need to play a second spinner. I don't think we could play Monty and Keedy in the same team
I have to agree Sharky. It's all well and good leaving him out of the touring party because he needs time to develop but if he's in the top three spin bowlers in the country he should be picked on merit. I've never really been of the opinion that an early taste of international cricket can ruin a players long term development - quite the opposite in fact.

I also agree with your comments about Keedy - he would be a useful back up if anything happened to Monty but I wouldn't want to see them both in the same team. However, I have a feeling the selectors will plump for someone with better batting ability - Gareth Batty and Graeme Swan could be under consideration.
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Old 12th July 2007, 12:49   #126
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One long term injury to Giles has left us completely bereft in the spin department, if Monty were to get injured we'd be completely snookered.
I can kind of see where you're coming from Lancastrian but I would suggest the spin bowling cupboard has been bare for a very long time and England are in a position of strength at the moment. They have a world class spinner in Panesar (currently 6 in the test rankings) and a 19 year old leggie with huge potential.
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I hope Batty doesn't play. Last time he went to Sri Lanka he was involved in one of the first instances of the batsman sledging the bowler - Kumar Sangakkara asking him where Englands second best spinner Robert Croft was.

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Oh, don't get me wrong Lancastrian - I don't want to see Batty representing England either. He is dire. The selectors might see things differently though.
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Old 12th July 2007, 13:05   #129
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I know Psyduck, but I like the story and will wheel it out on the flimsiest of pretexts.

It's funny with Spinners - one international quality spinner is not enough, but if you have two then you are very well off.
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Old 15th July 2007, 19:39   #130
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I hope Batty doesn't play. Last time he went to Sri Lanka he was involved in one of the first instances of the batsman sledging the bowler - Kumar Sangakkara asking him where Englands second best spinner Robert Croft was.
Now that is brutal. I do like Sangakkara.
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Not the best of starts to international cricket for Radhid, a 4 ball duck and 1/114 of 18 overs. I hope he will not let this disappointment affect him in the rest of the season.
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I think Rashid is a cert to tour Sri Lanka with Monty. The debate will be who will be the third spinner, here's how they're shaping up halfway through the season:

Keedy (20 wickets at 22.10)
Swann (30 wickets at 30.96)
Dawson (5 wickets at 33.60)
Rashid (26 wickets at 35.73)
Batty (19 wickets at 43.36)
Brown (16 wickets at 48.31)
Croft (20 wickets at 49.00)
Doshi (13 wickets at 53.61)
Schofield (6 wickets at 63.33)

Guess there's a clear winner emerging.

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Old 17th July 2007, 22:02   #133
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Is it Swannn? He can bat you know...
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Is it Swannn? He can bat you know...
Not opposed to Swann, though I'd look further up the table.

Just realised Ive forgotten to include Louden, which shows how forgettable he's been:

Keedy (20 wickets at 22.10)
Swann (30 wickets at 30.96)
Dawson (5 wickets at 33.60)
Rashid (26 wickets at 35.73)
Batty (19 wickets at 43.36)
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Croft (20 wickets at 49.00)
Doshi (13 wickets at 53.61)
Schofield (6 wickets at 63.33)
Loudon (4 wickets at 76.25)

NB Udal and Blackwell omitted due to injury
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Would they take Keedy though? When's Ian Blackwell back from injury because if it's anytime soon...
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Old 17th July 2007, 22:32   #136
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Would they take Keedy though? When's Ian Blackwell back from injury because if it's anytime soon...
If they want a third spinner, it looks as if it's between Keedy and Swann.

After last season and this season, I'd say Blackwell is pretty much finished. It's hard to stick by a player who's injured for two years.
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Old 17th July 2007, 22:41   #137
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Would they take Keedy though? When's Ian Blackwell back from injury because if it's anytime soon...
He's been back from injury for ages. Averaging nearly 50 with the ball
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He was pretty poor last year, when Notts were still in Div 1. Example - Rashid & Lawson v Swann

And in addition, his one fivefer this season (7-100) came against Glamorgan, on a pitch that Dean Cosker also took a fivefer. Bit of a number-massaging performance, tbh
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Udal just hasn't been picked. He's still a regular in the one day stuff though.
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