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Old 5th September 2007, 08:48   #21
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More ‘fatist’ remarks on this forum I see.
Hey, no worries if it doesn't have an effect on your cricket but that doesn't seem to be the case with Cossie. The rumblings from both his state and the national set up don't sound too positive for a guy of his undoubted talent.

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I think most of the players I listed above currently do play for their state sides, as does Henriques. We generally have a pretty good mix of youth and experience in the domestic comp here – it’s just that players generally don’t get into the national side until they’ve shown consistency at the state level.
I'd forgotten about Heal and I guess Tim Paine is around that kind of age as well.
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Looks like updates are going to be fairly sparse. Here's the first one

http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/****...ch/304066.html

Shaky start from Aus A, but ridiculous number of extras from Pak A
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Old 5th September 2007, 14:35   #23
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What a bizarre line-up for Australia A, only three specialist batsmen and Noffke batting at 8!
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Old 5th September 2007, 14:40   #24
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Hey, no worries if it doesn't have an effect on your cricket but that doesn't seem to be the case with Cossie.
So let me get this straight. It's OK to abuse someone for being overweight if it affects their sporting prowess?

What are your guidelines for abusing overweight people who don't play sport - open slather?
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Old 5th September 2007, 15:57   #25
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What a bizarre line-up for Australia A, only three specialist batsmen and Noffke batting at 8!
Essex have just called and asked if they can have their coach back.
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Old 5th September 2007, 17:44   #26
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Looks like updates are going to be fairly sparse. Here's the first one

http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/****...ch/304066.html

Shaky start from Aus A, but ridiculous number of extras from Pak A
The Aussies lost by 8 wickets. With that bowling attack, I'm not surprised
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Wow they got hammered alright ..
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Old 6th September 2007, 01:44   #28
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Essex have just called and asked if they can have their coach back.


At least they have a decent number 8!
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Old 6th September 2007, 03:39   #29
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The Aussies lost by 8 wickets. With that bowling attack, I'm not surprised
Yes, I see Noffke has brought his stunning county one-day form over with him.

The bowling was always going to be the weakness of the side, but to be fair on them they didn't have much of a chance after that somewhat 'rusty' batting performance (D Hussey, 18 runs off 51 balls!).

I’m not sure why only 3 specialist batsmen were selected for the match. I know Rogers has not shown himself to be much of a one-day player, but he did OK in his (limited) list A games in England this year, and if you only pick 4 specialist batsmen in the squad, you’re going to have to play them all.

Hopefully the selection for the second match is a little more sensible, as is the running between the wickets.

On the Pakistan side, congratulations to Hameed for his fantastic century. He was by far the most experienced player in the match and it really showed. But the real interest for me was the performance of the 19yo legspinning allrounder Mansoor Amjad, who didn’t manage to get a wicket but only went for 35 runs off his 10 overs.

Edit - Amjad is 20 not 19.
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On the Pakistan side, congratulations to Hameed for his fantastic century. He was by far the most experienced player in the match and it really showed. But the real interest for me was the performance of the 19yo legspinning allrounder Mansoor Amjad, who didn’t manage to get a wicket but only went for 35 runs off his 10 overs.
Hameed has been treated verybadly bythe Pakistan authorities, after 2 copnsecutive half centuries against Australia in Australia he was dropped. Can you explain that? He also made a very quick 80 odd against India in a match and was dropped the next test byPakistan, it wasn't as if he was replcaing one of the big boys.

As for Mansoor Amjad, I've bit and bobs of him, but reports say he has the potential to be as successful as Mushtaq Ahmed was, when he breaks into the 1st side, he will be there to stay. Problem is, he can't exactly replace Afridi in the ODI side and cannot replace Danish in the Test side, but it's about time Danish was dropped anyway.
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Old 6th September 2007, 19:21   #31
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What are your guidelines for abusing overweight people who don't play sport - open slather?
I don't go out of my way to abuse anybody.

However, hypothetically, I don't think the majority of the process would be any different to abusing anyone else. I may have to consult IGHOLS to verify that though.

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Yes, I see Noffke has brought his stunning county one-day form over with him.

The bowling was always going to be the weakness of the side, but to be fair on them they didn't have much of a chance after that somewhat 'rusty' batting performance (D Hussey, 18 runs off 51 balls!).
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the real interest for me was the performance of the 19yo legspinning allrounder Mansoor Amjad, who didn’t manage to get a wicket but only went for 35 runs off his 10 overs.
It's interesting you should mention those three as their performances in this match are pretty much the opposite of the form they've shown in English county cricket. Even the best can't always hit the ground running in unfamiliar conditions.
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I don't go out of my way to abuse anybody.

However, hypothetically, I don't think the majority of the process would be any different to abusing anyone else. I may have to consult IGHOLS to verify that though.


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It's interesting you should mention those three as their performances in this match are pretty much the opposite of the form they've shown in English county cricket. Even the best can't always hit the ground running in unfamiliar conditions.
Well Noffke has been great in the county comp, but his list A performances weren't so flash, apart from a day out against Ireland. You are right about Hussey, he has had a great English season so hopefully he will be better as he gets used to the conditions.

On Amjad, I note Cricinfo has his birthdate wrong and he is 20, not 19.
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Pak A win the second one-day game

http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Sc...27/127194.html

And apparently have won the third game too. Aus scored 331-9 in 50 overs, Pak chased it down to win by six wickets
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Pak A win the second one-day game

http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Sc...27/127194.html

And apparently have won the third game too. Aus scored 331-9 in 50 overs, Pak chased it down to win by six wickets


Doesn't augur well for our next generation of bowlers, though Mitchell Johnson, Tait and Hilfenhaus are in SA and they are young and promising. And MJ has just pulverised the hapless South Africans with the bat.

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Is that the hapless South Africans that have just won their latest warm up game. I wonder what poor opposition they were playing....
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Scorecard for the 3rd match

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Ouch .. 3 in a row .. their leg spin prospect went for 11 an over .. ouch

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Batting

Well after a shocking first match it was good to see the Aussie batsmen come to terms with the pitches and put in some much improved efforts. Apart from Cameron White, who was pretty disappointing, all of the bats had at least one good innings. Chris Rogers finished with a bang scoring the only Aussie century of the series.

Of course, none of the Aus A bats could compare with the Pakistan batsmen. Khalid Latif didn't have a failure in his three innings and made the highest score of the tournament in the last match, Yasir Hameed scored two centuries, Taufeeq Umar one and Naved Latif, despite only facing 60 balls in the tournament, managed to hit six 6’s. Being more experienced than the Aussies probably helped Pakistan a little - the last three batsmen mentioned have played a combined 83 ODI’s, compared to a total of 37 for all the Aussie batsmen and all-rounders combined. Having said that, Khalid Latif had only played 18 List A matches prior to this series.

It will be interesting to see if any of these four can force their way in (or back in) to the senior team.
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Ouch .. 3 in a row .. their leg spin prospect went for 11 an over .. ouch

ouch ouch ouch
Cullen Bailey is a decent bowler, but he has no place being near a ODI side at the moment. Even SA don't play him in the domestic comp here, let alone against opposition like this.
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Bowling

As expected the bowling was the major weakness of the Australian side, unable either to take many wickets or contain the scoring rate.

One pleasing aspect was that the two youngest bowlers (apart from Bailey, who is not a ODI bowler), ended up being the best performed.

23 yo Dan Cullen bowled effectively, with little support, and often did the job to break established, fast-scoring partnerships. His average of 36.3 and economy rate of 5.2 look OK in a series which was completely dominated by batsmen. Bollinger was the only other multiple wicket-taker for Australia, and was also one of the few bowlers who leaked runs at less than 6 per over. After Tanvir he was probably the best performed non-spinner in the comp.

The other Aussie ‘specialist’ bowlers were poor, particularly Noffke who only managed 1 wicket in his 22.2 overs, at a cost of 148 runs (eco 6.7/over!). I’m not sure why he bowled more overs than any other Aussie bowler.

Of the allrounders (bowling-wise), Hopes was very poor after a great domestic season. Hopefully it’s just rustiness after a long winter. Butterworth was annoyingly only given 9 overs, so is difficult to rate, and Cameron White bowled to his usual standard.

Given the high scoring nature of the series, plaudits must go to Mansoor Amjad, who took 6 wickets at an average of 19.8 and a miserly economy rate of 4.3/over. He is also rated as quite a reasonable batsman, but that skill wasn’t really required in this tournament. Hopefully he will play in the 4-day games.
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