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Old 23rd October 2007, 22:29   #1
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Afridi for Vice Captain?

Pakistan have been able to garner some success in the limited version of the game of late, not a lot of it has happened without Afridi playing a part, with bowling fielding and sometimes explosive batting. He is the virtual opposite of Shoaib Malik's calm exterior...is it time Pakistan unleashed him in the vice captains role?
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Old 23rd October 2007, 22:34   #2
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Old 23rd October 2007, 22:51   #3
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Dont u think it would be just the right amount of madness to the mix?
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Old 24th October 2007, 00:02   #4
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Is vice-captain really that important a position* to make a difference?

As a player, I agree he's integral to Pakistan's hopes. His bowling is vastly underrated, because he is a genuine wicket-taking threat.


*Unless the captain gets injured/suspended.
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Old 24th October 2007, 13:02   #5
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I'd suggest he's a better VC than the current one, who can't hold a place down in the team
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Old 24th October 2007, 13:27   #6
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Is vice-captain really that important a position* to make a difference?

As a player, I agree he's integral to Pakistan's hopes. His bowling is vastly underrated, because he is a genuine wicket-taking threat.


*Unless the captain gets injured/suspended.
Agree with GBG his bowling seems to be increasingly important. IMO Pak seem to play some very impotent spinners apart from him, he's taking centre stage. He's almost worth a punt in the test arena again given some of the failures Pak tried in the SA test series.
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Old 24th October 2007, 14:20   #7
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His bowling is vastly underrated, because he is a genuine wicket-taking threat.
Yes, his bowling is as underrated as his batting is overrated by some. He averaged 7 with the bat in ODI cricket last year - he wouldn't have survived in the team but for his leg spin. This year, his slogging has been quite successful, but while his career average of 23 suggests this won't last, his bowling will probably remain as reliable as it has been through the last few years.

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He's almost worth a punt in the test arena again given some of the failures Pak tried in the SA test series.
True, especially when you consider his Test batting is actually quite useful on the flat pitches that Pakistan sometimes play on at home. Even if he doesn't replace one of the spinners, one has to question if he is a worse choice than some of the batsmen Pakistan have tried lately.
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Old 24th October 2007, 14:53   #8
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I guess the problem with playing him in tests is that the selectors have to decide where to slot him in. Clearly he would be a risk as top six batsman with the spin as an important string to his bow. On the other hand he could be just as damaging as someone like Rehman batting at #8 and bowling a lot of overs. Incredibly he might even prove to be more influential than Danish and in theory would certainly strengthen their batting.
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Old 24th October 2007, 17:11   #9
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Old 24th October 2007, 19:55   #10
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Hes also a very limited dancer so wouldnt be very good on the pakistani version of strictly come dancing
Like nobody in the game has done same thing. He got punished for it also, old topic.

In ODI'S hes useful and nowadays hes more of a bowling all rounder, his batting just clicks once in a blue moon. I can only remember the test series he had against against India where he was threat with the bat and ball, but after that his performances weren't of much to note.

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Like nobody in the game has done same thing. He got punished for it also, old topic.
I'm afraid Leon has a point though and it's the first thing I thought of when I posted. Afridi might have a good cricket brain (from what's been said, I haven't seen it when he'd batting for instance) but you can't dismiss the fact that he chose to try use a potential disaster to cheat when considering whether to put him in a position on authority.
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I never did the same

Old topic but still a cheat and I reserve the right to say so in as many semi comical ways as possible or until I get banned which would in its own way be comical so Im still being funny in a abstract way whichever happens
Leon, I really doubt you'll ever get banned. We'd miss you too much.
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Old 24th October 2007, 21:45   #13
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Leon still going on and on about it, come on mate don't you get bored?

As for Afridi as vc, well I'll go one step further and say since he provides the pep talks, since he is the main impact player in our side and since he is the one Malik and Younis turn to everytime a tactical decision needs to be made, he should be the captain. I'm only suggesting this since Younis has refused the captaincy, so if Younis was captain I'd settle for Afridi as VC.

Some say he's too irresponsible, but I think some players are made when they're asked to play a more important role and he would.

You look at this Pakistan side, for the last 3/4 years everytime we need something to lift the spirits Afridi has been the man.

I just don't comprehend how such a mature, a calm and quality bowler can turn into the most insane and completely irresponsible batsman, a batsman who resorts to wild slogging as soon as he arrives to the crease. From the way he throws the bat, you'd think he was a Nel or a Sreesanth type bowler, but he's not, he is extremely cool, doesn't ever get fired up.
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No I have a high threshold for it .
I am Captain Inertia Droneonandon of the starship boring twit,My mission to explore old cases of cheating ,not to seek out or say anything new ,and to boldly go nowhere
Quite a success yr mission but here is the thing captain, how come yr starship comes to our solar system only to search for old cases, their are plenty in every countries history man. Turn yr photon torpedos some other way once in a while eh?
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Leon still going on and on about it, come on mate don't you get bored?
Well, the aussies haven't got bored with moaning about bodyline yet, so you may have some years still to go.
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I'm afraid Leon has a point though and it's the first thing I thought of when I posted. Afridi might have a good cricket brain (from what's been said, I haven't seen it when he'd batting for instance) but you can't dismiss the fact that he chose to try use a potential disaster to cheat when considering whether to put him in a position on authority.



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A potential disaster? do not make me laugh.. the gas tank of a coca cola fountain exploded. In a country where the last suicide bomb took 150 plus lives in karachi last week only you would call a coca cola fountain bursting "potential disaster" and he was only doing what his captain told him to do and furthermore he was punished for it.
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A potential disaster? do not make me laugh.. the gas tank of a coca cola fountain exploded. In a country where the last suicide bomb took 150 plus lives in karachi last week only you would call a coca cola fountain bursting "potential disaster" and he was only doing what his captain told him to do and furthermore he was punished for it.
It was a potential disaster in the sense that it wasn't immediately clear at the time that it was an entirely trivial incident. There was an explosion, after all. It could have been a bomb. The fact that it wasn't would not have been clear to Afridi immediately, would it?
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A potential disaster? do not make me laugh.. the gas tank of a coca cola fountain exploded. In a country where the last suicide bomb took 150 plus lives in karachi last week only you would call a coca cola fountain bursting "potential disaster" and he was only doing what his captain told him to do and furthermore he was punished for it.
You trying to wish it away with ridicule? Come on F.K, you know what I mean. I can't believe I have to explain it. We now know what exploded and that no harm was done but in the immediate aftermath, no-one knew what had happened and at that point (Douglas Adams refers to this principle I think) disaster was still a possibility - as you say 150 plus lives can be taken in one swoop - and instead of concern Afridi's first thoughts were of pitch tampering. You cannot justify that behaviour and punishment, while fitting, doesn't erase what happened.

I didn't know it was captain's orders but then he should have been punished too, stripped of his captaincy and never be considered for captaincy again.
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A potential disaster? do not make me laugh.. the gas tank of a coca cola fountain exploded. In a country where the last suicide bomb took 150 plus lives in karachi last week only you would call a coca cola fountain bursting "potential disaster" and he was only doing what his captain told him to do and furthermore he was punished for it.



So at the time of the explosion YOU knew exactly what it was then because nobody else did hence the potential disaster
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