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Old 2nd April 2017, 13:04   #41
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Any of these playing the students slated to be regulars this season?

Saif Zaib and Gareth Wade, Northants
Ryan Stevenson and Asher Hale-bopp Joseph Arthur Hart, Hants
Sukhjit Singh and Alex Mellor, Warwickshire
Eliot Callis and Ben Coad Yorks

I'm pretty sure the Hants players will be forced out by all their Kolpakd
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Old 10th April 2017, 13:06   #42
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Any of these playing the students slated to be regulars this season?

Saif Zaib and Gareth Wade, Northants
Ryan Stevenson and Asher Hale-bopp Joseph Arthur Hart, Hants
Sukhjit Singh and Alex Mellor, Warwickshire
Eliot Callis and Ben Coad Yorks

I'm pretty sure the Hants players will be forced out by all their Kolpakd
Ben Coad might have earned himself some more playing time

Think Alex Mellor was the only other one mentioned this year to play in this round of matches and the less said about his performance the better.

I probably should have mentioned Aaron Beard at Essex. Was surprised that he got the nod after a tough winter but 3-47 and 2-45 was an excellent start. I've high hopes for him but wasn't expecting him to contribute so soon.
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Old 10th April 2017, 14:16   #43
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Ben Coad might have earned himself some more playing time

Think Alex Mellor was the only other one mentioned this year to play in this round of matches and the less said about his performance the better.

I probably should have mentioned Aaron Beard at Essex. Was surprised that he got the nod after a tough winter but 3-47 and 2-45 was an excellent start. I've high hopes for him but wasn't expecting him to contribute so soon.
Remember the name from his demolition of Sri Lanka's top order last year. Reports suggest he has a good whippy pace but not the consistency yet. Got some fine scalps, though, on a what seems like a generally pretty serene batting surface.

Was mentioned in one of the other threads that Tom Curran has added a yard of pace to his bowling, apparently, and he certainly looks to be bowling quicker on the videos on the ECB site. This year's Jake Ball?
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Essex's Paul Walter is one who intrigues me. A tall left-handed bat and left-arm seamer who's quite raw but had a successful off-season in grade cricket and has a little something about him. He might be a potential successor for Graham Napier but Essex's promotion has probably come at the wrong time for him in the longer format and he's more likely to become a regular in limited overs.
A most satisfactory start in two games so far. He also scored 145* for the 2s in a 2nd XI Trophy game recently, opening the batting.
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Old 26th May 2017, 12:06   #45
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Amar Virdi makes his Surrey 1st XI debut today.
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Old 2nd June 2017, 16:31   #46
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Will Saqib Mahmood be a first choice at Lancs?
playing his first match of the year today in the absence of Anderson and Jarvis both injured. Has maybe only played one game for the 2s this year, as has also been injured.
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Old 3rd June 2017, 17:24   #47
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Sukhjit Singh takes a 6-fer for Warwickshire as Hants pile up 500. Had a good FC debut for them, and so far he has an excellent economy rate so I assume he's pretty accurate.

Seems to be a real glut of promising spinners all a similar age at the moment. Crane, Bess, Virdi, Parkinson and now Singh. Think they're all between 19 and 21. Obviously a direct consequence of the changes toss regs!
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Sukhjit Singh takes a 6-fer for Warwickshire as Hants pile up 500. Had a good FC debut for them, and so far he has an excellent economy rate so I assume he's pretty accurate.

Seems to be a real glut of promising spinners all a similar age at the moment. Crane, Bess, Virdi, Parkinson and now Singh. Think they're all between 19 and 21. Obviously a direct consequence of the changes toss regs!
Historically they seem to have drifted out of the game by 25 or 26. Hopefully the law changes will give them the opportunity to move from promising to something a little better. It is a very hard skill to learn at the top level. Dawson was the leading bowler for the under 19s in 2006 and 2007 but struggled to push on and Borthwick was highly promising in 2013. With the possible exception of Underwood ( who I think made his test debut at an early age) and Monty English spinners tend to reach test standard at about 26. I suspect all 5 are going to have a tough season on 2 over the next 4 or 5 years but hopefully a couple will come good.
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Adam Riley is the most recent cautionary tale. Seems to be nowhere to be found these days.
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Part of the challenge is that there are still relatively few young spinners in relation to other skills (e.g batsmen - loads, seamers - quite a lot). So those who drop by the wayside may be no more proportionally than other types of player, but the expectation is piled high, plus more attention paid to them.

After all, not many would say "Matt Dunn is the most recent cautionary tale. Seems nowhere to be found these days."
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That's true, but I recall people touting Riley for a test call-up post-Swann. Don't think Dunn has had that same kind of hype. Of course the reason for that is what you highlight, which means as soon as any young spinner comes through there's immediately a lot of expectation that comes through.
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That's true, but I recall people touting Riley for a test call-up post-Swann. Don't think Dunn has had that same kind of hype. Of course the reason for that is what you highlight, which means as soon as any young spinner comes through there's immediately a lot of expectation that comes through.
Maybe that expectation is part of the problem, rather than just letting them develop at their own pace. Probably as supporters we also get excited by 5 wicket hauls on spinning pitches and don't really look at how well they bowl on a good wicket to take one for 90 in 50 overs which is just as important when they step up to test pitches and test batsmen.

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After all, not many would say "Matt Dunn is the most recent cautionary tale. Seems nowhere to be found these days."

what did happen to him? Is he still on Surrey's books?
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what did happen to him? Is he still on Surrey's books?
Yes. I believe he has been hampered by injuries. He has been playing for the 2s, and he is under contract until the end of next season. Problem is that he would have to work his way into contention again in a Surrey squad with riches of bowlers - keeping on topic, Surrey's 19-year-old fast bowler Conor McKerr just made a sparkling debut on loan to Derbyshire, they also have Matt Pilans tied into a 3-year contract.

Dunn would be an ideal project for Northants, whose coaching team have yet again worked their magic with Nathan Buck.
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With a new coach who knows. It will be interesting to see how conservative Chapple's selection is.

But I doubt it in the four day game with Anderson, Jarvis, Bailey and McLaren. plus a few overs from Procter and Clark when Anderson goes.

I'm sure Mahmood will get one day & T20 games.
Nice to see Mahmood averaging 23.5 with the ball so far

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Zak Chappell at Leicester could have a big season if stays fit.
Averaging 30 with the bat and 38 with the ball but he's playing and hopefully he can build on this.
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GBG - Chappell needs to find consistency but bowls c.90mph. and seems to get good players out https://twitter.com/leicsccc/status/856530353867116549

As an aside do you believe the Currans are quick enough to forge an international career?
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GBG - Chappell needs to find consistency but bowls c.90mph. and seems to get good players out https://twitter.com/leicsccc/status/856530353867116549

As an aside do you believe the Currans are quick enough to forge an international career?
Probably not quite yet but (so not currantly....) but I expect them to put a bit more pace on - see Woakes as an example.
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Probably not quite yet but (so not currantly....) but I expect them to put a bit more pace on - see Woakes as an example.
Tom looks as though he's put on a bit of pace but probably needs to move the ball a little more consistently. Sam is a little further way off at the moment but he's 19 years old so has plenty of time to strengthen up.

Around 2007/8 Stuart Broad at the age of 21 was barely much above 82mph but by 2009 he'd clearly put on a yard or so and was a different proposition by then.
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Tom looks as though he's put on a bit of pace but probably needs to move the ball a little more consistently. Sam is a little further way off at the moment but he's 19 years old so has plenty of time to strengthen up.

Around 2007/8 Stuart Broad at the age of 21 was barely much above 82mph but by 2009 he'd clearly put on a yard or so and was a different proposition by then.
Ah, I've only seen him carrying drinks this year so my info may be out of date.
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Amar Virdi has been in the wickets again for Surrey 2s with 5-54 and 6-79 v Glamorgan 2s.
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