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Old 29th May 2015, 21:41   #61
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They could introduce the three teams in Ireland, Leinster, the Northern Knights and North West Warriors, giving them more first-class experience before they go for Test status over there.
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Old 31st May 2015, 09:48   #62
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My suspicion is that the suggestion of adding three clubs to make three divisions of 7 is little more than an idea scribbed on the back of a fag packet.

If the main intention is to reduce the number of Championship matches to 12, then there are a lot easier ways to do that - simply keeping things as they are but only playing 12 games, for a start.
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Old 21st June 2015, 16:02   #63
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Unfortunately though there is no way the ECB will completely abandon playing 50 over domestic cricket.

But if you look at the existing competition it is actually already stripped to the bone. The 10 clubs that don't make it to the quarter-finals are playing just 8 days - and hosting a mere 4 - of 50 overs cricket a year.

The problem is that those days currently occupy the absolute prime spot in the cricketing calendar - late July to late August. The games are spread out, most notably with the quarter-finals, that occupy almost an entire week in order to maximise TV coverage.
of course you can cut it more. Counties could host ZERO home games. This is already the case in that reasonably acomplished cricket nation of Australia where one-day cricket is now essentially a pre-season tournament played over 2 weeks in october (their april) in a neutral location as they cant even be bothered with the travel. This year they will even add a youth development team just fo further highlight thats its not a serious event.

It seems complete madness that englang will use peak summer for this.
And bizarely, with this difference in approach, Australia are World cup champions and England World cup jokes.

One day cricket shouldnt be in the real season. play it in october or march, possibly even play the whole thing in the West indies
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Old 21st June 2015, 16:15   #64
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Simple economics mean an expended Championship with more sides will never happen - Counties rely on handouts from the International game (I am not saying this is a bad thing) to keep going, agreeing to spread these thinner is akin to "turkeys voting for Christmas".
Yes more cricket on TV (both free to air and SKY) would be a good thing - I like the idea of "Friday night is cricket night". Do we know why so little CC is shown on SKY? The 50 (or 40) over game should be played Saturday/Sundays - I would advocate of playing it alongside the CC fixture (so Div 1 CC play each other in the 50 over) with semis (top Div 1 v's 2nd in Div 2) and finals. Ideally with free entry to all group games and aired on free to view (Sky have channels of freeview) the site of full grounds would do wonders!
I dont think its "simple economics"

The NeXT tv-deal will almost certainly increase dramatically making it simple to afford many more full-time counties if they wanted to spend income that way but even if not all other kinds of revenues are constantly increasing in cricket as in all sport and its most likely only a matter of time before it will be possible for more counties to play full-time cricket even without funding.

also more teams in more divisions could actually help getting financially stronger teams to the top, while saving money by cutting funding for lower divisions. I would predict a Devon-Cornwall side to quickly become stronger than, say Leicestershire. A consequence of the closed shop is a less than ideal spread of counties. Why so many first class counties in the Midlands and far less in rural areas where the long game is traditionally well supported? I sort of suspect that its because of travel issues 150 years ago but that should hardly rule cricket today.
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Old 28th June 2015, 18:44   #65
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The NeXT tv-deal will almost certainly increase dramatically making it simple to afford many more full-time counties if they wanted to spend income that way but even if not all other kinds of revenues are constantly increasing in cricket as in all sport and its most likely only a matter of time before it will be possible for more counties to play full-time cricket even without funding
I would love to see more counties but I doubt that TV (which after all pays the piper and calls the tune) would agree. The money would, or rather will, go to more overseas stars concentrated into fewer counties, a sort of cricket premier league. Pray convince me I'm wrong.
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I would love to see more counties but I doubt that TV (which after all pays the piper and calls the tune) would agree. The money would, or rather will, go to more overseas stars concentrated into fewer counties, a sort of cricket premier league. Pray convince me I'm wrong.
I doubt Sky would care that much if there were extra counties. It's international cricket that they want, and then fill the days around it with any domestic cricket that is going on just to fill the schedules.
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Old 1st July 2015, 20:03   #67
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I doubt Sky would care that much if there were extra counties. It's international cricket that they want, and then fill the days around it with any domestic cricket that is going on just to fill the schedules.
Sorry but I think that is a naive view of a very successful, profitable company. They want high quality sport, not just " ... any domestic cricket that is going on to fill the schedules". Whether you believe their advertising or not, it testifies to their aims to broadcast the best.
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Old 1st July 2015, 20:08   #68
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All this was just a kneejerk reaction to England's World cup exit. Now seems to have faded.
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Old 2nd July 2015, 17:40   #69
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Sorry but I think that is a naive view of a very successful, profitable company. They want high quality sport, not just " ... any domestic cricket that is going on to fill the schedules". Whether you believe their advertising or not, it testifies to their aims to broadcast the best.
This doesnt make sense. Sky doesnt pay anything for broadcasting the 4-day game so they arent likely to care about whether or not some teams are added.

They pay for international cricket and T20 and even there, its still not as if SKY are running the game. If they did, I am sure they for instance wouldnt have wanted a 3-week break from international cricket delaying the ashes well into the football season. Lets not exagerate their influence.
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Old 3rd July 2015, 12:44   #70
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...Sky doesnt pay anything for broadcasting the 4-day game so they arent likely to care about whether or not some teams are added. ...
In fact, Sky does pay. The right to cover CC matches is bundled in with their contract with the ECB...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cri...TV-rights.html
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Old 3rd July 2015, 23:23   #71
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...and he who pays the piper calls the tune...

There will of course be some token handouts to community cricket from the greatly increased revenue brought about by TV's concentration on elite players, elite clubs and (of course) the advertising income extracted, ultimately, from the armchair consumer-punter.

No? Well take a careful look at what is happening now.
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The new league would mean restricting Test cricket to May, August and even September, while the current Natwest T20 Blast, which has lost much of its allure since it was launched 2003, would continue largely in its current form.
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Old 26th July 2015, 08:25   #73
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What about the 50over format? Where will that fit? Would the r20 blast be left to whither and die? How safe are sports rights in Sky's hands?
I thought the issue is that we want more people to see cricket? By allowing Sky to control the new competition it seems that Freeview is unlikely, and the smaller grounds e.g. ESssex will lose out. How would people in Easy Anglia get to see these matches live? London is a three hour journey! I guess there are many other parts of the country which would have the same issues.
By moving test cricket to September, and no doubt the pro's that come with them, it's likely they will be effected by the weather. Plus daylight would be an issue . It's miserable enough watching day / nighters at the middle of September, even worse at the end.

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Old 26th July 2015, 09:46   #74
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Comparing the Mail, whose report identifies Lord's, Oval, Birmingham, Leeds Nottingham, Manchester, Newcastle (Durham) plus Bristol or Cardiff with the Observer version, which doesn't identify locations, the tricky issue is highlighted. One obvious flaw in the Mail version is the omission of the south coast (Hants, Sussex) which leads me to suspect that the list has been cooked up by the paper rather than Sky. But that, as we all know, is just one of the choices involved in coming up with a list of eight places which will meet with general approval. I'm certainly not going to take a punt at it because I agree with those who point out that importing a model from another country with contrasting demography is unlikely to lead to success.
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Old 26th July 2015, 10:05   #75
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The best bit about the sky proposal is that demographics, number of first class States in Oz and weather aside; it overlooks why so many watch big bash in Oz. Are we ready for this? This is a biggie........IT IS FREE TO AIR TV SO EVERYONE CAN WATCH IT. I am pretty sure I missed that bit in the sky bids. I don't think it is the prospect of seeing Stephen parry bowl to Ricky wessells

I am pretty sure I also missed the bit saying that our cricket stadia are tiny compared to those in Oz.....because of the demographics.
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Old 26th July 2015, 10:46   #76
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One really clever bit in OZ is the varied seat colours, arranged to give the casual TV viewer the illusion that the stadium is full.

Interesting difference in the valuations in the two reports. ECB/IMG estimate is total value 1bn, Sky wants to pay 40m. Granted they are not like for like but seems a big discrepancy to me.
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Old 26th July 2015, 11:07   #77
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This story looks like complete garbage to me.

Just for starters England have committed to the Future Tours Programme up to 2019 with all this allocated:

2017
May - West Indies in England (5 ODIs, 1 T20)
May - South Africa in England (3 ODIs)
June 1-19 - ICC Champions Trophy (in England)
June-August - South Africa in England (4 Tests, 3 T20s)
August-September - West Indies in England (3 Tests)

2018
May-June - Pakistan in England (2 Tests)
June - Australia in England (5 ODIs, 1 T20)
June-September - India in England (5 Tests, 5 ODIs, 1 T20)

2019
May - Pakistan in England (3 ODIs)
May 30-July 15 - ICC Cricket World Cup in England
July-September - Australia in England (5 Tests, ? ODIs/T20s)
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This story looks like complete garbage to me.

Just for starters England have committed to the Future Tours Programme up to 2019 with all this allocated:

2017
May - West Indies in England (5 ODIs, 1 T20)
May - South Africa in England (3 ODIs)
June 1-19 - ICC Champions Trophy (in England)
June-August - South Africa in England (4 Tests, 3 T20s)
August-September - West Indies in England (3 Tests)

2018
May-June - Pakistan in England (2 Tests)
June - Australia in England (5 ODIs, 1 T20)
June-September - India in England (5 Tests, 5 ODIs, 1 T20)

2019
May - Pakistan in England (3 ODIs)
May 30-July 15 - ICC Cricket World Cup in England
July-September - Australia in England (5 Tests, ? ODIs/T20s)
I don't think that a detail like the FTP - which is regularly being breached by nations thinking better of it e.g. Pakistan cancelling their Zimbabwe ODIs, the West Indies/India standoff - would prevent the ECB from going where the money is. Since ECB is now one of the governing troika of the ICC I'm sure they could send President Clarke to deliver an ultimatum/conduct delicate renegotiations.
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And is 2017 the year we host the World Cup. If so, just how much money will Joe Public have to spend. Not the best year to add another competition!
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Personally I find these changes very difficult to like but Sky's 40m means resistance is futile - always think there are 2 very opposite views on this with little middle ground, so debate is pretty futile too
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