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Old 11th August 2015, 15:57   #121
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Isn't that what international matches are for?

Shouldn't these sort of clashes be the icing on the cake, the special cricketing moments to be savoured - those that stay in the memory, like Donald v Atherton, Lillee v Botham, Broad v Clarke, etc?

I don't want these rammed down my throat three times a week in a circus tournament. There is already a surfeit of international cricket as it is.
I have just been watching the Women's Ashes. Sorry but boring boring boring. If this is all ECB can come up with in the second week of August, so help us.
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Old 11th August 2015, 16:23   #122
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Can someone please explain to me the advantage of franchise T20?

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Old 11th August 2015, 16:24   #123
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Money for the organisers and broadcasters.

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Old 11th August 2015, 16:59   #124
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Can someone please explain to me the advantage of franchise T20?

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The ECB are hoping it will be cricket's version of the FA Premier League - a licence to print money.


This of course will happen and in two years time shirt sales of the leading Franchise team will outsell Manchester Utd shirts at Sports Direct. SSN will have more leading cricket stories than football and a football-style transfer system will apply where Jim White explodes as SSN announce KP becoming the first £80 million cricketer.
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Old 11th August 2015, 17:13   #125
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I have just been watching the Women's Ashes. Sorry but boring boring boring. If this is all ECB can come up with in the second week of August, so help us.
It's not...the T20 quarters are this week too.
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Old 11th August 2015, 17:31   #126
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Money for the organisers and broadcasters.
That's what I thought.
T20 brings good money into the Counties without adversely affecting the international game.
Is it perfect? No. Was it better when played in a block mid season? Not sure. I guess Sky preferred a block that was played at same time as Wimbeldon and/or football Euros/WC - at least they then had a sacrificial lamb to be put on. If memory serves (probably BS) our T20 was pilloried after a wet season when competing with Euro's on free to air - shock horror the attendances were down..........
What is the Caribbean T20 contributing to the game? IPL is allegedly a throwback to the origins of the game (i.e. for the benefit of gambling). Why don't we simply promote what we have?
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Old 11th August 2015, 19:37   #127
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It all depends if it's just on Sky, in which case it would be pointless. When the IPL was on ITV4 theyd sometimes get 400,000 viewers which was ten times what they'd normally get in that time slot, and that was hidden away without any promotion. I think a short competition where the England and international players can play against each other in front of the maximum audience possible is the best way of getting people's attention again. And yes, the idea is to make lots of money.
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Old 11th August 2015, 20:16   #128
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Old 11th August 2015, 20:28   #129
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It all depends if it's just on Sky, in which case it would be pointless. When the IPL was on ITV4 theyd sometimes get 400,000 viewers which was ten times what they'd normally get in that time slot, and that was hidden away without any promotion. I think a short competition where the England and international players can play against each other in front of the maximum audience possible is the best way of getting people's attention again. And yes, the idea is to make lots of money.
Why do we have to get people's attention? If people like cricket they will watch it, if they don't they will avoid it. Why should fans of Championship cricket have to have their competition made smaller and less significant just to pander to casual fans who like T20.

And any tournament will impact on the Championship as the best players will be following the money.
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Old 11th August 2015, 20:50   #130
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Why do we have to get people's attention? If people like cricket they will watch it, if they don't they will avoid it. Why should fans of Championship cricket have to have their competition made smaller and less significant just to pander to casual fans who like T20.
Because that's been the score for the past 53 years. Championship cricket isn't self financing and so a different constantly morphing format is required to create a separate income stream. Like Dorian Gray's portrait, the facsimile becomes ever more contorted, so that the original may remain pure and unsullied.

However, this shouldn't necessitate the Championship being reduced. If it's essential to muck around with the limited overs side of the season then that - and only that - should be rearranged as required. So, scrap the 50 overs cup, which serves no clear purpose and certainly doesn't bring in the dosh.
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Because that's been the score for the past 53 years. Championship cricket isn't self financing and so a different constantly morphing format is required to create a separate income stream. Like Dorian Gray's portrait, the facsimile becomes ever more contorted, so that the original may remain pure and unsullied.

However, this shouldn't necessitate the Championship being reduced. If it's essential to muck around with the limited overs side of the season then that - and only that - should be rearranged as required. So, scrap the 50 overs cup, which serves no clear purpose and certainly doesn't bring in the dosh.
I like the 50 over cup. A good competition which attracts decent crowds. I did like it more when it was straight knock out, but I still enjoy it. Point being, why should any county cricket have to reduced for franchises?
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I like the 50 over cup. A good competition which attracts decent crowds.
I really like the competition too. But decent crowds? Most of the games I've been to have been no better attended than Championship games. Last year's quarters and semis barely broke 3000.
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Old 11th August 2015, 21:23   #133
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This post and the one above about kids might as well be in Bulgaria overlook the point that sky are leading the crusade. Do you think that sky are driving this because
A) they see it as another cash cow where they would limit availability in this country but own the TV rights to sell abroad; or
B) so that they can ensure all matches are on terrestrial TV.


You say 90 per cent of county cricketers would put their feet up. Are you being serious? Each squad would need at least 16 players. If we say 5 from abroad then that would leave 11 spots. These 11 spots for the England players and county. So 9 or 10 on average for each franchise so with 18 counties and 8 franchises you are looking at at least five players per county. So unless you think that each county has almost fifty players then your 90% putting feet up is plain wrong.

Some counties will obviously lose more players so the thought that the county season could carry on is flawed. How could the championship continue when some sides will be 8 or 9 players down?

So with it being on sky and in fewer locations could you explain how this would improve access?

If the matches take place in a block then how many parents could afford to take their whole family to home games? Currently t20 averages about two or three home games a month and is relatively cheap. If there were 6 in a few weeks then families could not afford this. So who would attend? Adults going for a boozy night? This would bring more money but if this is the aim then let's stop pretending it is to get more kids watching.

I was at the test match and I was struck by how few kids I saw. Far more at t20 matches and I would imagine the franchise system would attract more of a drinking crowd than family crowd. Let's not compare to big bash because they have huge stadia so cheap tickets for families which won't happen here.
Of course sky would seek to keep all cricket but, guess what, its not actually up to them. Besides whats most important to sky is their battle with BT sport. Sky will probably have a role even with t20. Not all games will be on free TV but as long as many are that will be a big step forward. and it does seem quite clear that counties do actually get that now.

OK if we include all players in large squads , then yes it would probably mean more County players involved but lets then not pretend that those players would actually be playing. The could essentially use the tournament as the breaks they have during the season anyway.

You seem to contradict yourself when you believe limited capacities at english grounds rule out affordable tickets yet at the same time dont believe grounds will be full with many games in a short time span
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Old 11th August 2015, 21:33   #134
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Of course sky would seek to keep all cricket but, guess what, its not actually up to them. Besides whats most important to sky is their battle with BT sport. Sky will probably have a role even with t20. Not all games will be on free TV but as long as many are that will be a big step forward. and it does seem quite clear that counties do actually get that now.

OK if we include all players in large squads , then yes it would probably mean more County players involved but lets then not pretend that those players would actually be playing. The could essentially use the tournament as the breaks they have during the season anyway.

You seem to contradict yourself when you believe limited capacities at english grounds rule out affordable tickets yet at the same time dont believe grounds will be full with many games in a short time span
Sky have the money = sky call the shots. Swap bt for sky if you like.

A simple grasp of economic theory with supply and demand being linked to cost. Prices will be high so the grounds won't fill with families as they do in big bash. Tickets in the big bash cost peanuts compared to here. My point was re family budget not whether grounds will be full.
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Isn't that what international matches are for?

Shouldn't these sort of clashes be the icing on the cake, the special cricketing moments to be savoured - those that stay in the memory, like Donald v Atherton, Lillee v Botham, Broad v Clarke, etc?

I don't want these rammed down my throat three times a week in a circus tournament. There is already a surfeit of international cricket as it is.
Top players cant face eachoter in domestic leagues because that somehow cheapens epic test battles between the same players? That doesnt make sense to me. Anyway atherton and Donald probably played many pointless odi-series. After the current ashes there will be another month-long utterly irrelevant odi-series that does nothing for cricket. A potentialy great test series with nz was cut short for the same stupid reason. That the true sad circus

I would much rather have been in the 50,000 crowd at the Adelaide oval watching Adelaide Strikers getting to the final than seeing som randomn odi at the same place. Its not meaningless just because its new. If you dont want it rammed down your throat then just dont watch.
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Top players cant face eachoter in domestic leagues because that somehow cheapens epic test battles between the same players? That doesnt make sense to me. Anyway atherton and Donald probably played many pointless odi-series. After the current ashes there will be another month-long utterly irrelevant odi-series that does nothing for cricket. A potentialy great test series with nz was cut short for the same stupid reason. That the true sad circus

I would much rather have been in the 50,000 crowd at the Adelaide oval watching Adelaide Strikers getting to the final than seeing som randomn odi at the same place. Its not meaningless just because its new. If you dont want it rammed down your throat then just dont watch.
Did you miss the odi series vs NZ? It was a cracker. Some no marks in the big bash vs that.
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Sky have the money = sky call the shots. Swap bt for sky if you like.

A simple grasp of economic theory with supply and demand being linked to cost. Prices will be high so the grounds won't fill with families as they do in big bash. Tickets in the big bash cost peanuts compared to here. My point was re family budget not whether grounds will be full.
No sky dont call the shots. Otherwise they would have six-nations rugby, Wimbledon, match of the day, Olympics, world cups etc. Cricket is the only sport that sells everything to pay TV, but there is little doubt that will come to an end. Counties did actually try to renegotiate the current deal with sky last year seeking some t20 on free TV. In vain. But it will happen when the contract finally runs out.

Supply and demand relates to total capacity which is not just about the size of a grund but also the number of matches. Anyway english grounds are not that small. Sell outs are rare in County t20 and if og happened regularly in a new tournament that would not be aproblem but a big succes.
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No sky dont call the shots. Otherwise they would have six-nations rugby, Wimbledon, match of the day, Olympics, world cups etc. Cricket is the only sport that sells everything to pay TV, but there is little doubt that will come to an end. Counties did actually try to renegotiate the current deal with sky last year seeking some t20 on free TV. In vain. But it will happen when the contract finally runs out.

Supply and demand relates to total capacity which is not just about the size of a grund but also the number of matches. Anyway english grounds are not that small. Sell outs are rare in County t20 and if og happened regularly in a new tournament that would not be aproblem but a big succes.
The government decide events that have to be on free to air TV. As soon as it opens up then sky win.
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Did you miss the odi series vs NZ? It was a cracker. Some no marks in the big bash vs that.
I always miss odi cricket. A dumbed down version of cricket that still lasts eight hours is just ridiculous.

But sure, one specific series may go well. Perhaps it shows how nz have reinvented themselves through the IPL. It seems to have developed their players on the field as well as helping to secure decent earnings off it, solving a big problem for all smaller nations
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The government decide events that have to be on free to air TV. As soon as it opens up then sky win.
Just not true. There is no requirement for six-nations rugby or Wimbledon (apart from finals) or match of the day to be on free TV. Thats a choice måde by rugby, football and tennis
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