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Old 15th August 2017, 13:27   #121
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He went south of the sciver to see Sciver.
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Watched Lancs seconds vs Durham seconds at Todmorden today. Decent day out...a few first team players playing on both sides (I think), Onions and Chanderpaul certainly...Chanderpaul looked a right pillock wearing some ridiculous American football stripes on his face. Does he always do that? Maybe he'd lost a bet? He was carrying drinks later on so maybe 12th man?

Anyway, nice ground, good food available and two real ales.

Durham made an awful start although it was cloudy and nipping around a bit. They recovered from 9-3 to finish 201 ao. The Durham bowlers kept it really tight and only a few had been scored before the rain came at around four. I may well go back tomorrow...weather depending.
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Old 21st August 2017, 18:16   #125
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Watched Lancs seconds vs Durham seconds at Todmorden today. Decent day out...a few first team players playing on both sides (I think), Onions and Chanderpaul certainly...Chanderpaul looked a right pillock wearing some ridiculous American football stripes on his face. Does he always do that? Maybe he'd lost a bet? He was carrying drinks later on so maybe 12th man?

Anyway, nice ground, good food available and two real ales.

Durham made an awful start although it was cloudy and nipping around a bit. They recovered from 9-3 to finish 201 ao. The Durham bowlers kept it really tight and only a few had been scored before the rain came at around four. I may well go back tomorrow...weather depending.
Chanderpaul has been doing that for years. Never understood it.

How did Hameed look?
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Chanderpaul has been doing that for years. Never understood it.

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I only saw him bat for a few overs then it started raining so I went home. Onions kept it tight without beating the bat too often.

Good crowd mind...I reckon 250 ish. I've been to county games with less.
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Very interesting. I note that the club is actually in Yorkshire but until 1974 the border used to run through the middle of the ground.

It is interesting to note how much interest can be generated in a 2s match in the summer with a little effort to provide food and drink, etc.

Did they print a scorecard as well?
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Very interesting. I note that the club is actually in Yorkshire but until 1974 the border used to run through the middle of the ground.

It is interesting to note how much interest can be generated in a 2s match in the summer with a little effort to provide food and drink, etc.

Did they print a scorecard as well?
I didn't see anyone with one but they may well have been available.

The club's badge features a white and a red rose, interestingly.
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Old 22nd August 2017, 09:27   #129
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Very interesting. I note that the club is actually in Yorkshire but until 1974 the border used to run through the middle of the ground.

It is interesting to note how much interest can be generated in a 2s match in the summer with a little effort to provide food and drink, etc.

Did they print a scorecard as well?
I can see more interest in 2ndXI games from 2020 due to many county members not interested in wasting money travelling long distances to watch meaningless 'franchise' games.
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I can see more interest in 2ndXI games from 2020 due to many county members not interested in wasting money travelling long distances to watch meaningless 'franchise' games.
It will be interesting. Also with the 50 over cup set to be the only county cricket between July 13 and August 23, and perhaps a lot of it at outgrounds if some clubs' grounds are 'taken over' for the franchise.

I certainly don't expect any significant travelling support for the franchise. As it is, one only encounters a smattering of "away fans" at most county games, and this is among committed supporters.
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It will be interesting. Also with the 50 over cup set to be the only county cricket between July 13 and August 23, and perhaps a lot of it at outgrounds if some clubs' grounds are 'taken over' for the franchise.

I certainly don't expect any significant travelling support for the franchise. As it is, one only encounters a smattering of "away fans" at most county games, and this is among committed supporters.
That doesn't sound great. Minor counties and 2XI stuff for me next summer then...a bit like this summer really! I've paid into one county game, very other game I've seen this year has been free.
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It will be interesting. Also with the 50 over cup set to be the only county cricket between July 13 and August 23, and perhaps a lot of it at outgrounds if some clubs' grounds are 'taken over' for the franchise.

I certainly don't expect any significant travelling support for the franchise. As it is, one only encounters a smattering of "away fans" at most county games, and this is among committed supporters.
This is a development that is most interesting. Will be particularly interesting to see what Hampshire do (assuming the Egregious Bowl is used) as they havent bothered with outgrounds for some time now.
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I went again yesterday (Tue) scorecards in abundance. Bigger crowd too. Superb century by Chanderpaul!
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Another benefit of franchise cricket then.
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Not for the clubs as 2ndXI games are (in my experience) free to enter.
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I can see more interest in 2ndXI games from 2020 due to many county members not interested in wasting money travelling long distances to watch meaningless 'franchise' games.
But there surely won't be second XI cricket while the new comp is on.

Take a county like Hampshire. Seven of their XI last night would be certain to be drafted into the prem competition.

That would leave the remaining four Hants first XI players as the core of the 50 over cup side alongside seven second XI players.

It will simply not be feasible to play a third tier of cricket simultaneously with the premier league T20 and a second-tier 50 over cup.

The likes of Derbys and Kent would still be able to field a second XI as they won't lose many players to the premier tournament. But the likes of Hants, Surrey, Notts, Essex, Middx, Yorks etc. will be playing most of their second XI and development players in the 50 over comp.

Oh and they are not 'franchises'. But you have never let the facts bother you, lol...
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Not for the clubs as 2ndXI games are (in my experience) free to enter.
Don't think anyone will care when each county is guaranteed 6.5 million between 2020-2024 from the new premier league!

The ECB has done a fantastic job in ensuring the medium-term survival of all 18 counties when a couple of them would otherwise face going into receivership.
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Don't think anyone will care when each county is guaranteed 6.5 million between 2020-2024 from the new premier league!
Surely many people will care about from 2020 their county clubs hosting just 4 days of cricket - in the 50 over cup between July 10 and August 23 - for those 10 clubs that don't make it out of the group stage? For those who don't have a home Championship fixture on July 6 or August 24, this will even stretch from July 3 or to August 30.

How do you feel about this as a Kent supporter?

Do you think supporters should adapt and focus their attention on April and September, when there is now a lot of cricket, when these months used to be almost empty?

Is it not important to be staging an attractive county programme during the high summer weeks and school holidays? Aren't these the prime weeks for counties to get people through the gates?

I am interested to know what you think about this.
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Surely many people will care about from 2020 their county clubs hosting just 4 days of cricket - in the 50 over cup between July 10 and August 23 - for those 10 clubs that don't make it out of the group stage? For those who don't have a home Championship fixture on July 6 or August 24, this will even stretch from July 3 or to August 30.

How do you feel about this as a Kent supporter?

Do you think supporters should adapt and focus their attention on April and September, when there is now a lot of cricket, when these months used to be almost empty?

Is it not important to be staging an attractive county programme during the high summer weeks and school holidays? Aren't these the prime weeks for counties to get people through the gates?

I am interested to know what you think about this.
I have no ideas what the fixture list will be in 2018, let alone 2020 , Paul. Not sure how you know?

As far as I am aware, all we know for certain is that the new premier league will be played over a 38 day window and that the 50 over cup will take place in the same time-frame. I don't know if the 50 over comp. will be in two or three groups and how many matches it will involve. It could be three groups of six, with each county playing ten games,or it could be two groups and eight games, as at present.

There will also be games against touring sides for some counties in this period. Derbyshire and Kent had such games this season in the high summer 'peak' period but then disgracefully treated them like second XI games and fielded reserve sides. So neither of those counties is in a position to lecture about not having enough first-team cricket during the new super league window from 2020.

You claim that in 2020 there will be CC matches on Aug 24. Again, I'm not sure how you know that, but if it is true then it means the CC will resume earlier than it is doing this season (Aug 28).

If you work back a 38 day window from Aug 28 , you will find that this season the counties that did not reach the q/fs played seven, eight or nine T20 games each in that period. That's a paltry total of between 280 and 360 overs of cricket per county in the six weeks of 'high summer'.(I accept that some counties also played a CC game in early Aug and it seems that will not be the case from 2020).

Even if there are only eight 50 over cup games in 2020 (and there may well be ten if they opt for three groups), that means each county will play 800 overs of cricket during the 38 day 'high summer' window - more than double the white ball cricket they have played in the same period this season.

So it seems the counties will get more cricket than they do at present "during the high summer weeks and school holidays" and "the prime weeks for counties to get people through the gates."

You said you would be interested to know what I think about this. The answer is that I believe we should all be very grateful that the ECB has devised a way of delivering a sustainable future for all 18 first-class counties.
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The answer is that I believe we should all be very grateful that the ECB has devised a way of delivering a sustainable future for all 18 first-class counties.
A potentially sustainable future. Let's wait to see how quickly some of those counties squander their latest windfalls.
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