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Old 26th September 2017, 21:19   #1
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County Legends

I saw on the Essex facebook page today a bit of a debate about whether Ryan ten Doeschate should be considered an Essex legend or not, given he's captained Essex to County Championship success. I think the general consensus was no, but perhaps he sits in the tier below.

Who would you consider to be the Legends of your county?

For Essex, the obvious would be Gooch, Fletcher, Bailey, Lever, Insole, Douglas and perhaps Mead, Perrin, CAG Russell and O'Connor of older vintage.

Perhaps in the tier below you might have James (& perhaps Neil) Foster, Irani, Ilott, Napier, Peter Smith, Ray East

I'm sure I've missed someone obvious.
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Old 26th September 2017, 21:20   #2
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I'd make a tentative case for Tendo but then I'm not an 80 year old Essex member who doesn't like change.
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Old 26th September 2017, 22:09   #3
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Ken McEwan?

Keith Boyce?
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If you have Ken McEwan, then surely Brian Hardie warrants some consideration as well. Both legends of the club in my view, but perhaps I set the bar too low for legendary status. Peter Such being the Uberlegend in my view.
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Old 27th September 2017, 06:56   #5
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I don't really have a county but have followed Notts most closely as I lived there for many years. Are we talking of current players? Presumably Chris Read will go down in legend status. Patel too? More marginal for him, I guess,

With the central contacts system, where does that leave England players becoming county legends? Is Alastair Cook an Essex legend? Bell at Warwickshire?
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Darren Stevens - county legend for Kent, no question!
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I was thinking all time legends. I don't think Cook really gets to that status, given in relative terms he hasn't played much for Essex. Of course, he could still earn that status by becoming a club stalwart post-retirement. I excluded Hussain for similar reasons, and I'm still a bit aggrieved that he never played a final game for Essex after his England retirement.
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Time and space don't permit a full list so here's a very much shortened one (alphabetical order)...

Bowes*, Boycott, Close, Illingworth, Gough, Hutton (sir Len), Leyland, Sutcliffe, Trueman, Verity.

* Legend status partly accorded on the basis that being born within the sound of Bill Bowes made one even more of a Yorkshireman than those who weren't.
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Notts Legends - Rice, Hadlee, Randall, Larwood, Sobers, Read.
Notts Next Tier - Hemmings, French, Stephenson, Broad, Robinson, Hussey, Samit
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If you have Ken McEwan, then surely Brian Hardie warrants some consideration as well. Both legends of the club in my view, but perhaps I set the bar too low for legendary status. Peter Such being the Uberlegend in my view.
McEwan and Boyce were before my time but I've noticed that people of a certain age go misty eyed when talking about them.

Where does Tonker Taylor fit into your classification?
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From my time following Hampshire there are only two genuine legends: Robin Smith and Shaggggggggaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy yy!
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Darren Stevens - county legend for Kent, no question!

OK, maybe not an all time legend, but for that we have:

Frank Woolley
Tich Freeman
Les Ames
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Darren Stevens - county legend for Kent, no question!
Fantastic county pro but the word 'legend' is used far too cheaply. Sadly, in 13 seasons with Kent, Stevens has tasted success just once - in the T20 in 2007.

What is impressive is that he was a medioce batsman who not only got better as a middle-order hitter but, via the Tiflex ball, some very green pitches (of which I'm all in favour, let me add) and Div Two medicority turned himself into a top wicket-taker.

Kent legends? Well, I'd say the entire team that played in the first county match I ever saw v Glos at Dartford in 1962, including Luckhurst, Denness, Cowdrey, Leary, Richardson, Halfyard etc...
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From my time following Hampshire there are only two genuine legends: Robin Smith and Shaggggggggaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy yy!

Cardigan Connor? For the name alone, he deserves second tier status. Now an MP an Anguilla.

And Malcolm Marshall perhaps?
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Shane Warne not a Hampshire legend? Didn't he captain them to the title and score his only first class centuries for them?
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Cardigan Connor? For the name alone, he deserves second tier status. Now an MP an Anguilla.

And Malcolm Marshall perhaps?
Fair point about Marshall.

Definitely put Connor in the second tier with the likes of Mark Nicholas, Bobby Parks, Adie Ames, Shane Warne, Paul Terry, Tim Tremlett, Dimi Mascarenhas etc.
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Shane Warne not a Hampshire legend? Didn't he captain them to the title and score his only first class centuries for them?
Didnt quite get us to the title but was a brilliant influence on changing Hampshire from a middle of the road county to consistent challengers for a few summers. Was a privilege watching him captain a team and the way he went about things. Was willing to push for victory and risk defeat rather than settle for a draw.
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I suppose there may be different views of what constitutes a "county legend", though for those who had acquired "legend" status before joining a county, and then not spending a long time playing for them, the accolade seems a little like gilding the lily.
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I suppose there may be different views of what constitutes a "county legend", though for those who had acquired "legend" status before joining a county, and then not spending a long time playing for them, the accolade seems a little like gilding the lily.
Indeed. Shaun Udal or Rajesh Maru > Warne for Hants, surely?
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Not my county but yes, absolutely.
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