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Old 9th April 2013, 17:52   #401
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I would say to the well paid England cricketers that if they want to play in the IPL, don't sign your central contract. Go and play in all the other domestic 20/20s for the different countries.

After complaining about too much cricket they want to play in even more. After the winter tours it is a time for England players to rest and recuperate.
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Hi. I'm new to the forum and just came across this thread.

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Hi Tom, welcome to the forum. Agree with your points although I do have a few minor quibbles about the junior doctor analogy: there's essentially no option to work in a private hospital for a newly qualified junior doctor. The private sector is interested instead in poaching fully trained senior doctors, once the NHS has invested even more time and money in training those doctors, although in fairness it's often got a good pound of flesh back by then. Also, nobody works 70 hours a week any more, apart possibly from some of the consultants.
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Welcome to the forum, Tom. (And I've found you on twitter as well!).

Good piece.

Cricketers are understandably thinking of their own careers, the need to make money in the comparatively few years available to them as top sportsmen. They get exasperated with cricket boards' concern for the long-term future of the game - the purest form of it, that is, test cricket. Worryingly, it's not just the players. Fearing the loss of high profile players to IPL etc, we have the PCA etc suggesting that compromises have to be made, windows have to be created to allow players to be part of these vulgar cash bonanzas and test matches have to be scheduled to fit in with domestic tourrnaments overseas.

Those in the cricket hierarchy need to get a grip. If such compromises are made, what comes next? All-year-round IPL? Make no mistake, if the primacy of test cricket is further compromised, it will cease to exist in a few years. What wiill there be for young cricketers to work for if the standard of first and test match cricket declines due to the absence of the best players, away chasing the dollar? How will they learn their skills? And more to the point, given that the t20 franchises are seeking these same best players to adorn their tournaments to attract interest: if test cricket dies, how will t20 leagues keep going? Once the current greats have all retired, how will they identify new greats if there is no standard by which to judge them? Pick a few young lads who can hit a few XYZ maximums?

The pity is that the BCCI seemingly cannot care less about the future of cricket as long as money is flooding into India via the IPL. The Big Bash and other leagues also bring in money and obviously this is welcome to the countries involved. But none of this helps cricket in the long term. Do we really want the 20-20 format to be the only international form of the game? Do the current crop of players want to be legends purely because they were the last ones to play international cricket with a red ball?

England players are extremely well paid. Test cricket in this country is flourishing. Even the New Zealand tests in May are selling out. I believe that those on lucrative central contracts should stop complaining about the lack of opportunity in the IPL, think themselves very lucky indeed to have their careers, and seriously consider where the game is going should their requests be granted. Would they like their own children to have the same chances as they had to forge a career in cricket (if good enough)?

I have thought that the IPL would eventually lose its lustre and backers and spectators lose intersest. This hasn't happened yet, but it will, eventually. And then what will cricket be left with if in the meantime test cricket has been shunted into a corner and died?
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It's not so much the money the players are after but those after match parties.

Anyway by the time they have paid their agent, their county and have been taxed is there much money left?
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It's not so much the money the players are after but those after match parties.

Anyway by the time they have paid their agent, their county and have been taxed is there much money left?
Luke Wright lost money by going to the IPL last year.
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It's not so much the money the players are after but those after match parties.

Anyway by the time they have paid their agent, their county and have been taxed is there much money left?
The new mantra is that you get to meet so many greats of the game and learn stuff. This is the way KP tells it. And the luxury hotels and being treated like a superstar.
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Welcome to the forum, Tom. (And I've found you on twitter as well!).

Good piece.

Cricketers are understandably thinking of their own careers, the need to make money in the comparatively few years available to them as top sportsmen. They get exasperated with cricket boards' concern for the long-term future of the game - the purest form of it, that is, test cricket. Worryingly, it's not just the players. Fearing the loss of high profile players to IPL etc, we have the PCA etc suggesting that compromises have to be made, windows have to be created to allow players to be part of these vulgar cash bonanzas and test matches have to be scheduled to fit in with domestic tourrnaments overseas.

Those in the cricket hierarchy need to get a grip. If such compromises are made, what comes next? All-year-round IPL? Make no mistake, if the primacy of test cricket is further compromised, it will cease to exist in a few years. What wiill there be for young cricketers to work for if the standard of first and test match cricket declines due to the absence of the best players, away chasing the dollar? How will they learn their skills? And more to the point, given that the t20 franchises are seeking these same best players to adorn their tournaments to attract interest: if test cricket dies, how will t20 leagues keep going? Once the current greats have all retired, how will they identify new greats if there is no standard by which to judge them? Pick a few young lads who can hit a few XYZ maximums?

The pity is that the BCCI seemingly cannot care less about the future of cricket as long as money is flooding into India via the IPL. The Big Bash and other leagues also bring in money and obviously this is welcome to the countries involved. But none of this helps cricket in the long term. Do we really want the 20-20 format to be the only international form of the game? Do the current crop of players want to be legends purely because they were the last ones to play international cricket with a red ball?

England players are extremely well paid. Test cricket in this country is flourishing. Even the New Zealand tests in May are selling out. I believe that those on lucrative central contracts should stop complaining about the lack of opportunity in the IPL, think themselves very lucky indeed to have their careers, and seriously consider where the game is going should their requests be granted. Would they like their own children to have the same chances as they had to forge a career in cricket (if good enough)?

I have thought that the IPL would eventually lose its lustre and backers and spectators lose intersest. This hasn't happened yet, but it will, eventually. And then what will cricket be left with if in the meantime test cricket has been shunted into a corner and died?
Well that's what's brought this IPL thing to a bit of a head with the ECB. The England players found out last year sometime that the Aussie Test players where getting paid up to double what the England players are getting and also have the chance to play IPL. So the word is the England players are using the IPL situation to get a substantial rise in their contracts and tbh I don't blame them. That's why the likes of David Collier, the ECB chief executive has been having talks with the BCCI to see if there was any room for movement on their start date for the tournament.

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What about the ones who will never get taken up by a franchise or prefer not to take part? Nobody has been especially successful there. Pietersen has had just one good season - last year - hence the change in his demeanour last summer when he came home.

It's a transitory period in cricket and the novely will wear off. Meanwhile we have to make sure that there is some proper cricket still there when it does.
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It's a transitory period in cricket and the novely will wear off. Meanwhile we have to make sure that there is some proper cricket still there when it does.
This opinion only seems to be held by a certain type of cricket fan, the rest seem to embrace it or realise it's here to stay and you might as well try to enjoy it. Because they can't understand why it is enjoyed they presume it's just a fad, those fans think too highly of themselves really. They will eventually learn the error of their ways and then Srini will become overlord and tests will only be played once a year in Chennai.

Seriously though, 80% of cricket revenues come from India. The test championship was cancelled because without India, there was no justification for ESPN to pay so much for the rights. So bright idea, let us create a cricket tournament focussed mainly on Indian players, it involves big Indian stars and some internationals/**** australians every match. The quality of cricket has never mattered for watching India in test/odis, it has been the fact that India are playing and sometimes winning that draws the tv ratings. Close games and suspect games add to this. Of course it has already reached a peak but that's part of it maturing that the tv figures will level out(even though Youtube seems to be rising, free stream yo). The TV deals are there for another 5 years minimum so its minimum shelf life is that at the very least. While more of India goes digital, giving more access to cricket, the actual reach might increase anyway. Cricket's not just a sport in India.

And while the BCCI are apparently not giving a **** about tests...the rest of India might be as the Ind/Aus series was the most watched test cricket series ever. 92.8 Million viewers watched Jaddu play with the Aussies. You see that thing about Indians sometimes winning, well yeah...enough circlejerking for one day. BCCI will just say goodbye to the 92.8 million and tell them to watch a live feed of India cement doing their business instead.

edit: lol at David Collier btw, Srini probably laughed at him.
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Very encouraging that so many viewers in India watched the India-Aus test series.

Why doesn't the BCCI then have a think about how it should be supporting test cricket for the future by having the IPL played over a shorter period of time rather than encroaching on other countries' domestic season and test series. It's a difficult dilemma for players attracted by the money and hard on the promoters of test series to have some of the best players making themselves unavailable.

I find it offensive that England should even have to think about changing the domestic season or the timing of its test matches to suit a domestic competition in another country. This is cricket, the game we all love, including Indians. Why are we letting greed ruin it? Given that India is generating most of the money in cricket, they should take a larger share of responsibility in saving the game.
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Very encouraging that so many viewers in India watched the India-Aus test series.

Why doesn't the BCCI then have a think about how it should be supporting test cricket for the future by having the IPL played over a shorter period of time rather than encroaching on other countries' domestic season and test series. It's a difficult dilemma for players attracted by the money and hard on the promoters of test series to have some of the best players making themselves unavailable.

I find it offensive that England should even have to think about changing the domestic season or the timing of its test matches to suit a domestic competition in another country. This is cricket, the game we all love, including Indians. Why are we letting greed ruin it? Given that India is generating most of the money in cricket, they should take a larger share of responsibility in saving the game.
Be offended and be irrelevant. Whilst I love test cricket and don't want it to die out, there is no reason why T20 couldn't exist solely as a sport on its own without the other two disciplines. The young cricketers you talk about would simply develop skills and be coached purely for T20 and not any other form. Their technique would be different to that needed in the longer forms but those at the top no less brilliant, just as different as the skills needed for baseball or synchronised swimming are different but not inferior to cricket.

The IPL could last for 6-9 months and dominate the world game in the same way the US major leagues dominate the sports of baseball, basketball and ice hockey. There would be an English T20 league playing over the summer here but as it is now, it would probably be a lower standard, with fewer internationals and the best English players leaving our shores to make their fortune and reputation in the sub-Continent. This is, after all, how pretty much EVERY OTHER SPORT operates. Cricket is, I'd imagine, unique in having three separate forms of the game run on a par with each other. This is also one of its charms, but balancing the three is a tough task, especially with the economics of the world game so skewed in the favour of one market.

However, I think we are a long way from this scenario and many others are also possibilities.

I have no time for the ECB on this matter. They thought they could compete financially with the BCCI, hence the courting of crooks and failed to launch the EPL as a successful competitor to the IPL. Now, of their own (and NOT the BCCI's) making, they are up **** creek without a paddle.
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Very encouraging that so many viewers in India watched the India-Aus test series.

Why doesn't the BCCI then have a think about how it should be supporting test cricket for the future by having the IPL played over a shorter period of time rather than encroaching on other countries' domestic season and test series. It's a difficult dilemma for players attracted by the money and hard on the promoters of test series to have some of the best players making themselves unavailable.

I find it offensive that England should even have to think about changing the domestic season or the timing of its test matches to suit a domestic competition in another country. This is cricket, the game we all love, including Indians. Why are we letting greed ruin it? Given that India is generating most of the money in cricket, they should take a larger share of responsibility in saving the game.
Surely the real issue is the early season Tests here - which we continue to play because of the TV contract; isn't that just greed in another form? And, IMO, our own greed helped ruin our domestic T20 - high prices, too many games etc..

I would take the practical view and let the England players who want to - and more importantly, are selected to - partake in the IPL - do it.

If it means slightly weakened sides V equally weakened sides who dont really want to be here early season, then so be it. Tell Sky its rotation.
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There have been test series in May since before Sky had the monopoly of televised cricket in this country.

AliTT - yes, it's certainly possible that talented young cricketers could make the choice to specialise in the t20 format - and why wouldn't they, if there continues to be oodles of money thrown at it. Which players are going to choose to specialise in the traditional formats, do you suppose?

It's true that the ECB's abortive attempts to create something to rival IPL are not their finest hours. We invented the format and I like the premise on which it was created. I don't care about big stars. It was a game for men, women and children to enjoy on warm summer evenings (perhaps a bit optimistic) with a bit of small scale entertainment, hog roasts, fireworks, etc. And also, of course, a proper tournament for the counties with a big final and a trophy. One of the hopes was that it would inspire people who'd never previously shown interest in cricket to come to the longer games.

The big mistake was to make it an international tournament.
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There have been test series in May since before Sky had the monopoly of televised cricket in this country.

AliTT - yes, it's certainly possible that talented young cricketers could make the choice to specialise in the t20 format - and why wouldn't they, if there continues to be oodles of money thrown at it. Which players are going to choose to specialise in the traditional formats, do you suppose?

It's true that the ECB's abortive attempts to create something to rival IPL are not their finest hours. We invented the format and I like the premise on which it was created. I don't care about big stars. It was a game for men, women and children to enjoy on warm summer evenings (perhaps a bit optimistic) with a bit of small scale entertainment, hog roasts, fireworks, etc. And also, of course, a proper tournament for the counties with a big final and a trophy. One of the hopes was that it would inspire people who'd never previously shown interest in cricket to come to the longer games.

The big mistake was to make it an international tournament.
Yes. But its because of Sky that they wont move/cancel them
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If the only reason to move them is because of a domestic competition in another country then I don't think they should be moved.

Just because the IPL has got bigger and bigger and doesn't mean everyone has to give into it. I would respect a tournament that had more respect for the existence of other cricket formats & competitions and wasn't doing its best to ruin them, wittingly or unwittingly.

However, with the exception of this year when we have the Champions Trophy, I would be very happy for early season test matches to be moved to the actual summer (such as it is) in place of the interminable number of ODIs.
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If the only reason to move them is because of a domestic competition in another country then I don't think they should be moved.

Just because the IPL has got bigger and bigger and doesn't mean everyone has to give into it. I would respect a tournament that had more respect for the existence of other cricket formats & competitions and wasn't doing its best to ruin them, wittingly or unwittingly.

However, with the exception of this year when we have the Champions Trophy, I would be very happy for early season test matches to be moved to the actual summer (such as it is) in place of the interminable number of ODIs.
I think this sounds extremely melodramatic Michelle. I'm not sure you can say that the IPL doesn't have respect for the existence of other cricket formats. The IPL just is what it is. Also with the way it is and the money involved I don't think it is possible to dismiss it as just another Domestic competition. Like it or not it's a bit more than that...
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If the only reason to move them is because of a domestic competition in another country then I don't think they should be moved.

Just because the IPL has got bigger and bigger and doesn't mean everyone has to give into it. I would respect a tournament that had more respect for the existence of other cricket formats & competitions and wasn't doing its best to ruin them, wittingly or unwittingly.

However, with the exception of this year when we have the Champions Trophy, I would be very happy for early season test matches to be moved to the actual summer (such as it is) in place of the interminable number of ODIs.
Thats like a US company I used to work for who felt our OK phone bill was too high so refused to pay. Guess what happened?

The players will want the IPL money and there's no point pretending otherwise. The IPL isn't going to shorten or move dates as they have absolutely no reason to. So either we compromise/adjust or we will lose players - and these will be the best, box office players.

And defending tests by losing your marquee players from tests to the IPL seems odd to me.

Sometimes it just is the way it is.
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I think this sounds extremely melodramatic Michelle. I'm not sure you can say that the IPL doesn't have respect for the existence of other cricket formats. The IPL just is what it is. Also with the way it is and the money involved I don't think it is possible to dismiss it as just another Domestic competition. Like it or not it's a bit more than that...
I did say "or unwittingly", i.e. they don't understand the damage they are causing.

It is a domestic competition. It is neither more nor less. It has international stars in it, as does the England County Championship and our shorter format tournaments. The difference is that franchises are prepared to throw loads of money at it.

And according to many accounts the standard is not great. Just because some Bollywood stars roll up to it and the BCCI has stumbled on a goose laying golden eggs it doesn't make it anything more than a 20 over cricket tournament between Indian teams.
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