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Old 1st October 2013, 19:57   #441
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Hope they are still getting paid.
It's a real worry, isn't it?
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Old 1st October 2013, 22:40   #442
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England will also announce today which players have been awarded central contracts on Monday but negotiations are still ongoing over a substantial pay rise the players are demanding.

Officials from the England and Wales Cricket Board and the Professional Cricketers’ Association had initially hoped new terms and conditions, which will be in force until the end of the current Sky Sports broadcast deal in 2017, would be completed before this summer’s Ashes series. But talks have dragged on for months and now the new informal deadline is to have it all wrapped up before the England players fly to Australia on Oct  23.

Both sides insist negotiations are proceeding cordially but the players and ECB do not want the distraction of talks over pay to potentially cast a shadow over the Ashes tour. The negotiations will be Hugh Morris’ last act before leaving his role as managing director of England cricket.

The England players will receive a significant hike from their current base salary of around £250,000 to bring them closer to the pay received by their counterparts in Australia. The have been offered £70,000 extra but are holding out for more.

It is thought that senior players such as captain Alastair Cook and Kevin Pietersen can expect a 50 per cent increase when bonuses are included.

The decision last month to put back the May Test matches until the end of June is a compromise which allows England players more time to exploit opportunities in the IPL. They will be able to use IPL cricket as preparation for the Twenty20 and one-day series against Sri Lanka. This should boost earnings for those hoping to be picked up in the IPL auction early next year. Joe Root will be awarded his first central contract today at the likely expense of Eoin Morgan, who has not played Test cricket for more than 18 months.
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Old 2nd October 2013, 09:17   #443
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Personally I do not understand what all the fuss is about.
Do you want £320K and be contracted? Or do you want to freelance and take the risk of non-selection/injury/loss of form. Players such as Pietersen can make more money but the majority of contracted players will be happy to have a safety net. I am a long time believer that if someone does not want to play a series, for whatever reason, then that is their decision (assuming not contracted too) but they run the risk of not getting back into the team.
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Old 3rd October 2013, 10:23   #444
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Personally I do not understand what all the fuss is about.
Do you want £320K and be contracted? Or do you want to freelance and take the risk of non-selection/injury/loss of form. Players such as Pietersen can make more money but the majority of contracted players will be happy to have a safety net. I am a long time believer that if someone does not want to play a series, for whatever reason, then that is their decision (assuming not contracted too) but they run the risk of not getting back into the team.
You've put it very nicely from the players' point of view -- the players are always going to have the choice not to take the central contract -- but from the management's point of view the management want to make sure that no one they want contracted refuses the contract. It would be embarrassing to be in the situation that West Indies and New Zealand have been in from time to time, with their test team not including their best players. Mind you, half of the England team have no particular reason to be playing for England -- it's not as if they're English, for example -- so naturally they're going to take it for whatever they can get.
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Old 3rd October 2013, 17:11   #445
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You've put it very nicely from the players' point of view -- the players are always going to have the choice not to take the central contract -- but from the management's point of view the management want to make sure that no one they want contracted refuses the contract. It would be embarrassing to be in the situation that West Indies and New Zealand have been in from time to time, with their test team not including their best players. Mind you, half of the England team have no particular reason to be playing for England -- it's not as if they're English, for example -- so naturally they're going to take it for whatever they can get.
Really? We're still pedalling this line?
Jesus wept, even if we take the fundamentalist approach that being born outside England means you can never be English, only 4 of the 12 centrally contracted would fail, and 2 out of the further 13 incrementals.
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Old 4th October 2013, 07:04   #446
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Really? We're still pedalling this line?
Jesus wept, even if we take the fundamentalist approach that being born outside England means you can never be English, only 4 of the 12 centrally contracted would fail, and 2 out of the further 13 incrementals.
Plus even that leaves aside the amazing degree of assumption involved in claiming clear knowledge of the motivation of people Sans has never met.

Of course the players want more money if they can get it. It doesn't follow that they don't have any other reasons to play for England, wherever they were born.
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I was looking around to find out what the Australians were earning and got sidetracked. I don't know how accurate (working with currency converter) this is but a rough idea of the Pakistan situation.

Pakistan 21 players on central contracts Jan - Dec 2013
Basic salary and fee per match

Basic salary and fee per match
A category - £25,359pa - Tests £2,486 - ODIs £2,151 -20/20s £1,775
B category - £17,760pa - Tests £2,131 - ODIs £1,775 - 20/20s £1,420
C category - £10,150pa - Tests £1,775 - ODIs £1,420 - 20/20s £1,065

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Plus even that leaves aside the amazing degree of assumption involved in claiming clear knowledge of the motivation of people Sans has never met.

Of course the players want more money if they can get it. It doesn't follow that they don't have any other reasons to play for England, wherever they were born.
Plus, if it was a commie in the same situation as Ed Miliband, say, they'd have even less reason to want to play for England despite being many-generation England-born. But I don't think sans was being all that serious, it would be out of character.
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Old 4th October 2013, 17:18   #449
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I was looking around to find out what the Australians were earning and got sidetracked. I don't know how accurate (working with currency converter) this is but a rough idea of the Pakistan situation.

Pakistan 21 players on central contracts Jan - Dec 2013
Basic salary and fee per match

Basic salary and fee per match
A category - £25,359pa - Tests £2,486 - ODIs £2,151 -20/20s £1,775
B category - £17,760pa - Tests £2,131 - ODIs £1,775 - 20/20s £1,420
C category - £10,150pa - Tests £1,775 - ODIs £1,420 - 20/20s £1,065

Team Achievements
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200% bonus for players if teams wins a series against a top-three side or arch-rivals India
300% bonus for a ICC or Asian title

Individual Achievements
Bonus for Test or ODI century: £1,760
Bonus for double century: £2,935
Bonus for 10 wicket haul: £1,760
So no incentive to play in tests over ODIs, and no extra incentive to try against any side bar India, us, SA or Australia!
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Old 4th October 2013, 21:56   #450
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I was looking around to find out what the Australians were earning and got sidetracked.
I read that the top Aussies like Clarke & Watson get $2m aus, which is just under £1.2m. At the moment the top England players get £700k, so not far off double. It looks like CA give their players a bigger slice of the pie than the ECB give theirs.
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Central Contacts for 1 October 2013 - 30 September 2014

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Bresnan
Broad
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How did the centrally contracted players do from 1 October 2012 until 30 September 2013?

Cook - 1246 runs at 47.92 5 100s 3 50s (14 Tests)
Trott - 1068 runs at 41.07 2 100s 6 50s (14)
Pietersen - 811 runs at 40.55 2 100s 6 50s (11)
Bell - 960 runs at 45.71 4 100s 3 50s (13)
Prior - 745 runs at 41.38 1 100 4 50s (14)
Bresnan - 10 wickets at 43.80 (5)
Broad - 45 wickets at 28.91 4 5fers 1 10fer (12)
Swann - 56 wickets at 25.01 4 5fers 1 10fer (11)
Finn - 24 wickets at 32.83 1 5fer (7)
Anderson - 53 wickets at 28.60 3 5fers 1 10fer (14)
Morgan - 0

ODIs
Cook 560 runs at 35.00 (16)
Trott 611 runs at 61.10 (14)
Pietersen 256 runs at 28.44 (9)
Bell 645 runs at 43.00 (16)
Morgan 560 runs at 35.00 (21)
Bresnan 79 runs at 11.28 - 13 wickets 40.07 (11)
Broad 12 wickets at 35.16 (9)
Swann 6 wickets at 51.50 (6)
Anderson 23 wickets at 15.26 (10)
Finn 19 wickets at 31.63 (14)
Prior - 0
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Old 23rd October 2013, 18:22   #453
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How did the centrally contracted players do from 1 October 2012 until 30 September 2013?

Cook - 1246 runs at 47.92 5 100s 3 50s (14 Tests)
Trott - 1068 runs at 41.07 2 100s 6 50s (14)
Pietersen - 811 runs at 40.55 2 100s 6 50s (11)
Bell - 960 runs at 45.71 4 100s 3 50s (13)
Prior - 745 runs at 41.38 1 100 4 50s (14)
Bresnan - 10 wickets at 43.80 (5)
Broad - 45 wickets at 28.91 4 5fers 1 10fer (12)
Swann - 56 wickets at 25.01 4 5fers 1 10fer (11)
Finn - 24 wickets at 32.83 1 5fer (7)
Anderson - 53 wickets at 28.60 3 5fers 1 10fer (14)
Morgan - 0

ODIs
Cook 560 runs at 35.00 (16)
Trott 611 runs at 61.10 (14)
Pietersen 256 runs at 28.44 (9)
Bell 645 runs at 43.00 (16)
Morgan 560 runs at 35.00 (21)
Bresnan 79 runs at 11.28 - 13 wickets 40.07 (11)
Broad 12 wickets at 35.16 (9)
Swann 6 wickets at 51.50 (6)
Anderson 23 wickets at 15.26 (10)
Finn 19 wickets at 31.63 (14)
Prior - 0
Their ODI averages are pretty meaningless without their scoring-rates, have you got batsmen's strike-rates as well?

Also, what was Bres' batting average in tests?
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Well Durham will have to wait until 1st October 2014 before the contracts are announced. As for the incremental contracts. a player will get one at any time of the year once he gets 20 points. Haven't Durham have a similar player to Stokes in their 2nd XI? The way it looks, it's as if they have to get an overseas player to replace Stokes.

How long did the other players have to wait, once they played for England, to get their central contract ....

21 Tests - 11 ODIs - 2 20/20s - Cook - 1 Oct 2007
13 Tests - 11 ODIs - 7 20/20s - Trott - 1 Oct 2010
1 Test - 21 ODIs - 1 20/20 - Pietersen - 3 Aug 2005
18 Tests - 23 ODIs - 1 20/20 - Bell - 1 Oct 2006
11 Tests - 20 ODIs - 4 20/20s - Root - 1 Oct 2013
35 Tests - 55 ODIs - 10 20/20s - Prior - 1 Oct 2010
10 Tests - 52 ODIs - 19 20/20s - Bresnan - 1 Oct 2011
22 Tests - 55 ODIs - 18 20/20s - Broad - 1 Oct 2009
12 Tests - 26 ODIs - 8 20/20s - Swann - 1 Oct 2009
8 Tests - 0 ODIs - 0 20/20s - Finn - 1 Oct 2010
6 weeks before 1st Test - 14 ODIs - 0 20/20s - Anderson - 1 Apr 2003 (6 month contract)

Stokes - 4 Tests - 14 ODIs - 4 20/20s

At one stage the ECB only gave out 12/13 contracts and players have had to wait a while.
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[ Haven't Durham have a similar player to Stokes in their 2nd XI? The way it looks, it's as if they have to get an overseas player to replace Stokes.
Not quite overseas - just North of the Border. Quite good having Colly on the Scotland coaching staff.

Just a one month contract initially but could be extended.

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/cricke...rham-1-3281466
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I'm sure they could add someone mid-way through the year if they wanted to.
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Their ODI averages are pretty meaningless without their scoring-rates, have you got batsmen's strike-rates as well?
From memory the batsmen mostly score pretty much at around the 70-79 mark, can't imagine their SR would change much if for a specific period. Morgan and Pietersen are the only two batsmen who score at what is not much under 8 runs for every 9 balls (88.89 as an SR)

Current England ODI SRs - (selected) batsmen + Stokes

Morgan 87.16
Pietersen 86.57
Bopara 78.97
Cook 78.39
Trott 77.06
Bairstow 76.77
Bell 75.19
Stokes 73.38
Ballance 69.34

Buttler is currently scoring at 129.49, and upping his average, which is handy down the order. Trott has been portrayed as a snail paced scorer, but Bell, Cook and Bopara aren't exactly quick scorers and two even have a hard new ball and fielding restrictions which should aid their SR.

Really only Morgan and Pietersen should be considered auto picks with those kind of SRs, Stokes of course has bowling in his armoury but with him being bumped up to #3 I thought his SR would be of interest.

In fairness his SR was down under 60 until his 9th ODI, his 15 from 39 balls in the 3rd ODI set him back on an improvement in his SR.
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Central contracts coming up at the end of the month.

Last lot

Anderson
Bell
Broad
Cook
Finn
Root

Bresnan - Jordan?
Pietersen - Ballance?
Prior - Buttler?
Swann - Ali?
Trott?

Woakes has just received an incremental contract but he could get a full one with one or two likely ones available. Trott has been passed 'fit' by the ECB.
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Trott is surely not ready for a central contract. He'd have to play a few games for England first.
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The contracts are part of the problem. The Aussies do it better with more lucrative contracts for those players who play more than one form of the game, whereas England just reward the test team. It's a poor state of affairs.
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