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Old 16th March 2008, 02:12   #361
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Was anyone watching the Sky team answering emails in the break? Why on earth would they ask Botham to take part in one of these exercises? He ignores the questions and just goes off on his hobbyhorses. Someone asked why there was the emphasis on Strauss's form when Pietersen hadn't made a half-century for ages. Botham's first response is to say he had an unlucky dismissal in the last innings, which is true, then immediately launch into his latest and much aired theory, that Pietersen should be batting at 3 to dictate the pace of the game and dominate, together with the rest of his rejigged line up. Chairman Gower asks him to look at the question of KP's lack of fifties but he brushes it aside. Bumble tries to lpresent an objective view of all the batsmen.

Botham would drop Strauss straight away, which is the feeling of most of us but his refusal to actually address a question and just fill the air with bluster is so annoying. Nobody would seriously consider dropping KP, so there's no need for him to protest too much, but a simple acknowledgment that he has played 10 consecutive innings without a half-century, for reasons uknown, wouldn't kill him. The innings immediately preceding these 10 was after all a hundred.
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Old 16th March 2008, 03:40   #362
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Old 16th March 2008, 18:14   #363
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I quite like the NZ commentators that fill in, especially Simon Doull
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Old 17th March 2008, 18:50   #364
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Well Willis sort of apologised for his comments on Anderson not being able to trouble anyone and has moved on to .....

"I think the players you have to put question marks against are Andrew Strauss and Ian Bell.

"I think the openers have done fine because it's a very difficult job to see the new ball off, particularly in conditions like that. They did a great job before lunch on the first day.

"Strauss is obviously struggling with playing for his place in the side, but the disappointment for me is Bell who gets himself established but can't pierce the field and dictate the terms.
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Old 17th March 2008, 20:48   #365
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Well Willis sort of apologised for his comments on Anderson not being able to trouble anyone and has moved on to .....

"I think the players you have to put question marks against are Andrew Strauss and Ian Bell.

"I think the openers have done fine because it's a very difficult job to see the new ball off, particularly in conditions like that. They did a great job before lunch on the first day.

"Strauss is obviously struggling with playing for his place in the side, but the disappointment for me is Bell who gets himself established but can't pierce the field and dictate the terms.
Nice to see Bob eating Humble Pie and finding someone else to get the knife into.
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Old 18th March 2008, 10:52   #366
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Old 18th March 2008, 13:21   #367
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Was anyone watching the Sky team answering emails in the break? Why on earth would they ask Botham to take part in one of these exercises? He ignores the questions and just goes off on his hobbyhorses. Someone asked why there was the emphasis on Strauss's form when Pietersen hadn't made a half-century for ages. Botham's first response is to say he had an unlucky dismissal in the last innings, which is true, then immediately launch into his latest and much aired theory, that Pietersen should be batting at 3 to dictate the pace of the game and dominate, together with the rest of his rejigged line up. Chairman Gower asks him to look at the question of KP's lack of fifties but he brushes it aside. Bumble tries to lpresent an objective view of all the batsmen.

Botham would drop Strauss straight away, which is the feeling of most of us but his refusal to actually address a question and just fill the air with bluster is so annoying. Nobody would seriously consider dropping KP, so there's no need for him to protest too much, but a simple acknowledgment that he has played 10 consecutive innings without a half-century, for reasons uknown, wouldn't kill him. The innings immediately preceding these 10 was after all a hundred.
Botham has always trumpeted Piertersons cause. I'm not sure whether they are buddies or theres some connection between them, but I don't think you're ever going to hear him say a bad word about him. Its is starnge that that he should suggest promotion up the order when hes in such poor form. I think it would be better for England if Pieterson batted at 5 and Bell at 4.
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Old 18th March 2008, 16:28   #368
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Botham has always trumpeted Piertersons cause. I'm not sure whether they are buddies or theres some connection between them, but I don't think you're ever going to hear him say a bad word about him. Its is starnge that that he should suggest promotion up the order when hes in such poor form. I think it would be better for England if Pieterson batted at 5 and Bell at 4.
I think KP is more suited to batting at 5, where he can play more of a counter-attacking role, rather than feel he has to play sensibly because the whole batting order relies on him for runs.
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KP has never shown any desire to bat at 3 and had to be persuaded to move up to 4.
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Botham has always trumpeted Piertersons cause. I'm not sure whether they are buddies or theres some connection between them, but I don't think you're ever going to hear him say a bad word about him. Its is starnge that that he should suggest promotion up the order when hes in such poor form. I think it would be better for England if Pieterson batted at 5 and Bell at 4.
KP is at Mission Sports Management as is Botham. At one time I thought Botham was his agent but I can't find any information.
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Old 20th March 2008, 12:02   #372
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I think KP is more suited to batting at 5, where he can play more of a counter-attacking role, rather than feel he has to play sensibly because the whole batting order relies on him for runs.
I agree. As I recall it was media pressure on a beleaguered Duncan that forced the switch during the last Ashes series. One might even mount an argument for KP at 6.
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Old 20th March 2008, 13:18   #373
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I quite like the NZ commentators that fill in, especially Simon Doull
Simon Doull is probably one of my favourite current NZ commentators, he was pretty limited as a test player but is very good behind the mike, with a pretty laid back sense of humour. Almost the opposite to a lot of current cricket commentators who were great test players but can also be irritating, know it all, bores in the comm box.

Botham can be a bit like that, although he is generally a lot better behaved when England are winning, as in the last test. To give Beefy some credit though he has actually been very generous in praising NZ when we have been winning on this tour, although the fact that he is in the NZ comm box surrounded by Kiwis probably goes a long way to helping that. Botham & Willis are always great entertainment when England are playing badly though, they certainly don't hold back.
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Old 21st March 2008, 04:42   #374
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Its is starnge that that he should suggest promotion up the order when hes in such poor form. I think it would be better for England if Pieterson batted at 5 and Bell at 4.
The old adage is that your best batsman bats at 3. He might be out of form and on a bad run but he is still our best batsman by some distance and as such should bat at number 3.

Regardless of how good he is and what he thinks the idea of a player dictating to the selectors what's best for him and the team is bang out of order.
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The old adage is that your best batsman bats at 3.
That's why Strauss is at three, duh.
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The number 3 spot has always been a problem for England. A lot of batsmen have struggled to get runs in that position.
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The old adage is that your best batsman bats at 3. He might be out of form and on a bad run but he is still our best batsman by some distance and as such should bat at number 3.

Regardless of how good he is and what he thinks the idea of a player dictating to the selectors what's best for him and the team is bang out of order.
Oh yeah, definitely sensible to bat a player out of position (he doesn't even bat at 3 in the county game) and against his wishes because of an old adage.
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The number 3 spot has always been a problem for England. A lot of batsmen have struggled to get runs in that position.
Butcher did quite well there.
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Butcher did quite well there.
Not that well though. It seems wrong to put Bell back up there having had a poor tour of NZ but then Strauss certainly isn't hanging on to his place at this rate.
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