England tour of New Zealand - Page 8

Sir Virgs and Zamora · 3rd March 2018, 09:22

Bowling at leg stump with no fielders in ring on legside to number 9. Scenes.

AJ101 · 3rd March 2018, 09:42

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Originally Posted by Sir Virgs and Zamora

I am in bed listening on radio then checking wickets etc on my phone. How was that Roy catch not given out? Clearly hands underneath. Doull not impressed on radio.

Roy wasn't sure himself and signalled for it to be reviewed, after that it was never going to be given out.

Really exciting game in the end, game changed with the slightest of touches from Woakes to run out Santner.

Ali TT · 3rd March 2018, 09:42

Centuries win matches, we're told.

Williamson looks disconsolate. Strange, you'd think he wouldn't care about this meaningless match.

Psyduck · 3rd March 2018, 09:44

England won that in spite of Morgan’s captaincy. At 103-6 the game was virtually up but he just gave the batsman easy singles with defensive fields and took his slip out when one more wicket would have killed the game.

AJ101 · 3rd March 2018, 09:50

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Originally Posted by Psyduck

England won that in spite of Morgan’s captaincy. At 103-6 the game was virtually up but he just gave the batsman easy singles with defensive fields and took his slip out when one more wicket would have killed the game.

I agreed with his bowling changes but his fields were pretty awful.

Sir Virgs and Zamora · 3rd March 2018, 09:55

Brilliant from woakes. Possibly England's most underrated player for years.

Psyduck · 3rd March 2018, 10:06

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Originally Posted by Sir Virgs and Zamora

Brilliant from woakes. Possibly England's most underrated player for years.

Yes, he bowled well. For the first time in absolutely ages England have two viable options at the death. Curran’s figures weren’t great but he is incredibly promising in one day cricket.

Ali TT · 3rd March 2018, 10:09

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Originally Posted by Sir Virgs and Zamora

Brilliant from woakes. Possibly England's most underrated player for years.

He's certainly come good in limited overs cricket while progressing nowhere in Tests. Not what some on here thought would be how his international career would pan out.

sharky · 3rd March 2018, 10:14

Sounded like a great game on a dodgy pitch. Well done England.

Psyduck · 3rd March 2018, 10:20

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Originally Posted by Ali TT

He's certainly come good in limited overs cricket while progressing nowhere in Tests. Not what some on here thought would be how his international career would pan out.

I agree he hadn’t really progressed in test cricket but he has only just turned 29 so he should be at his peak over the next 3 years. I’d be tempted to give him the new ball for the NZ tests.

Sir Virgs and Zamora · 3rd March 2018, 10:40

Looking forward to someone unpicking five for 70 off 20 overs from our spin bowlers.

Woakes is either brilliant or pretty lame in tests.

DanielVettoriSpin · 3rd March 2018, 11:01

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Originally Posted by sharky

Sounded like a great game on a dodgy pitch. Well done England.

Pfft. Dodgy pitch my arse. About time there was something in these hit-fests for the bowlers to work with. If you end up with two close scores over 200, there's nothing wrong with it.

But bloody hell that Kiwi middle order is a pile of ***** if Williamson or Taylor is missing.

DanielVettoriSpin · 3rd March 2018, 11:02

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Originally Posted by Ali TT

Williamson looks disconsolate. Strange, you'd think he wouldn't care about this meaningless match.

Pretty much every cricket team wants to beat England in any form of cricket. Post-colonial ennui or sommat.

D/L · 3rd March 2018, 11:15

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Originally Posted by Sir Virgs and Zamora

I am in bed listening on radio then checking wickets etc on my phone. How was that Roy catch not given out? Clearly hands underneath. Doull not impressed on radio.

Others would say the ball clearly hit the ground. Roy's reaction suggested it wasn't a clean catch.

Sir Virgs and Zamora · 3rd March 2018, 12:37

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Originally Posted by D/L

Others would say the ball clearly hit the ground. Roy's reaction suggested it wasn't a clean catch.

I don't think any pundit who saw it said anything other than clean catch did they?

Cricinfo said clean. Doull got angry on the radio saying clean catch and it is obvious

sharky · 3rd March 2018, 13:05

I think the problem is they have to give a soft signal. There's no way the umpire could see it, and as Roy didn't really claim the catch, they had to give the benefit of the doubt to the batsman. The third umpire then didn't really have enough certainty to overturn the decision. If they didn't have to give a soft signal and just sent it upstairs like they used to, it may have been out.

Ali TT · 3rd March 2018, 13:17

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Originally Posted by sharky

I think the problem is they have to give a soft signal. There's no way the umpire could see it, and as Roy didn't really claim the catch, they had to give the benefit of the doubt to the batsman. The third umpire then didn't really have enough certainty to overturn the decision. If they didn't have to give a soft signal and just sent it upstairs like they used to, it may have been out.

Under the older system there were plenty of examples of clear catches not given. The lesson here is for the fielder to come up jumping for joy because then the soft signal will probably be "out".

**stevieh** · 3rd March 2018, 13:33

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Originally Posted by Ali TT

Under the older system there were plenty of examples of clear catches not given. The lesson here is for the fielder to come up jumping for joy because then the soft signal will probably be "out".

So no place for good sportsmanship anymore then? Surely the fielder has the best idea of whether they took a fair catch, moreso than the pundits on radio or television.

Unless cricket commentators are better than footy ones, their mission is to stir the pot of controversy for better ratings rather than demonstrate calm, rational objectivity.

sanskritsimon · 3rd March 2018, 14:44

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Originally Posted by stevieh

So no place for good sportsmanship anymore then? Surely the fielder has the best idea of whether they took a fair catch, moreso than the pundits on radio or television. ...

You'd think so. Even if the fielder gets it wrong sometimes, the official adjudication system seems to get it wrong routinely, and is now a bad joke. The players should take the matter into their own hands: the batsman should ask the fielder, and then walk if he says he thinks he caught it.

D/L · 3rd March 2018, 15:18

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Originally Posted by Sir Virgs and Zamora

I don't think any pundit who saw it said anything other than clean catch did they? ...

Pundits seemed to be divided on the matter. Any road up, they only saw the same video as all the TV viewers and, on average, probably have no better eyesight.

3rd March 2018, 09:42	#143
Ali TT Posting God Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 20,065	Centuries win matches, we're told. Williamson looks disconsolate. Strange, you'd think he wouldn't care about this meaningless match. __________________ WARNING Reading the above post may cause bouts of nausea.

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sharky Posting God Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sunny Sussex Team(s): Sussex, England Posts: 11,017	Sounded like a great game on a dodgy pitch. Well done England. __________________ She was like a candle in the wind...Unreliable

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sharky Posting God Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sunny Sussex Team(s): Sussex, England Posts: 11,017	I think the problem is they have to give a soft signal. There's no way the umpire could see it, and as Roy didn't really claim the catch, they had to give the benefit of the doubt to the batsman. The third umpire then didn't really have enough certainty to overturn the decision. If they didn't have to give a soft signal and just sent it upstairs like they used to, it may have been out. __________________ She was like a candle in the wind...Unreliable

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3rd March 2018, 09:22	#141
Sir Virgs and Zamora Posting God Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 22,089	Bowling at leg stump with no fielders in ring on legside to number 9. Scenes.

3rd March 2018, 09:44	#144
Psyduck Posting God Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Manchester Team(s): England, Lancashire, Man Utd Posts: 16,439	England won that in spite of Morgan’s captaincy. At 103-6 the game was virtually up but he just gave the batsman easy singles with defensive fields and took his slip out when one more wicket would have killed the game.

3rd March 2018, 09:55	#146
Sir Virgs and Zamora Posting God Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 22,089	Brilliant from woakes. Possibly England's most underrated player for years.

3rd March 2018, 10:40	#151
Sir Virgs and Zamora Posting God Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 22,089	Looking forward to someone unpicking five for 70 off 20 overs from our spin bowlers. Woakes is either brilliant or pretty lame in tests.