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Old 17th May 2007, 20:52   #21
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To be honest, I keep reading and re-reading these statements and frankly I find it hard to understand what they mean. At one and the same time they seem to be saying that Shine is returning to the admin role for which he was originally recruited, and also that he will continue to head up the development of England's bowlers.

Can someone please translate this for me?
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Old 17th May 2007, 20:55   #22
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Agnew has said Donald has only offered his services to the ECB. Therefore it seems some wined up old journo has got wind of this and twisted it in the way they do.
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Old 17th May 2007, 21:06   #23
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To be honest, I keep reading and re-reading these statements and frankly I find it hard to understand what they mean. At one and the same time they seem to be saying that Shine is returning to the admin role for which he was originally recruited, and also that he will continue to head up the development of England's bowlers.

Can someone please translate this for me?
Could it be that Shine will still be England's bowling coach but won't tour with the team. Maybe Flower will coach the batsmen and bowlers on tour?
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Old 17th May 2007, 21:18   #24
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Erm, I think this article is almost word for word the same as the one I linked in my earlier post further up this page.
Except that one says Shine is being replaced by Donald, yet the other says no such thing, and doesn't even mention Donald
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Old 17th May 2007, 21:29   #25
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Except that one says Shine is being replaced by Donald, yet the other says no such thing, and doesn't even mention Donald
But on the question of Shine's own position, which is the subject of this thread, the wording is virtually the same. Sorry I didn't go into the Donald part. I just scanned it quickly. Whatever is happening, the future of Shine would not be dependent on the appointment or otherwise of Donald, as they seemed to be talking of Donald in a consultancy role.

Edit: I misread Rey's post as well as the articles in question. I understand what's going on even less now. I would need to sit down and read the articles more carefully and get the hang of what's going on, but I am tired now so I will leave it till later. Apologies for probably getting the wrong end of the stick.

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Old 17th May 2007, 21:45   #26
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I feel somewhat defensive of Shine, because most of the criticism aimed his way is because he isn't Troy Cooley. A charge I feel he's innocent of.

In terms of bowling strategy, Fletch was the one who called the shots so it'll be interesting this summer to see how Kev's fledglings fare under the tutelage of Moores.

Unlike Maynard, Shine came highly regarded, experienced and possessing the necessary level four coaching qualifications. That's more than what Allan Donald has.
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An old article -

http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/south...ry/234681.html
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Old 17th May 2007, 22:58   #28
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I am firmly of the opinion that a bowling coach is more akin to an American style "motivational speaker". The art of bowling is not really one that lends itself to convoluted thought processes in the heat of battle. All of the great fast bowlers have been of the "point and play" variety, whereby you just give them a little gee up pre match, tell them some inspirational words of wisdom, let them back slap each other, and allow the skipper to work out the real tactics.

Matthew Hoggard, Andrew Flintoff and Simon Jones are recent England bowlers who illustrate this point very clearly. All affable, salt-of-the-earth types, who like nothing better than running in trying to knock over their adversaries, while their on-field thinking leaves a lot to be desired.

The bowling coach should be somebody who can fit into this ethos, and I feel Allan Donald would be perfect. Another player who epitomises the cricketer who plays "from the neck down". I'd rather see him fire up the workhorses than some pseudo psychologist tinkerer like Shine, who will try to overcomplicate things for the bowlers.
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I feel somewhat defensive of Shine, because most of the criticism aimed his way is because he isn't Troy Cooley. A charge I feel he's innocent of.
In fairness to the accusers, it is entirely true to say that Shine is not Troy Cooley.
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Agnew has said Donald has only offered his services to the ECB. Therefore it seems some wined up old journo has got wind of this and twisted it in the way they do.
Don't talk about AOC Jane in that disrespectful way.
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From what I can gather from the ECB site from the end of the year Shine will remain England based and coach the up and coming bowlers at the Academy and the England bowlers during the summer. Maybe he doesn't like touring and being away from home for long periods. It looks like Flower will be the coach for tours.
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Old 18th May 2007, 03:35   #32
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http://sport.guardian.co.uk/cricket/...082604,00.html

He sounds quite eager.
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Old 18th May 2007, 04:13   #33
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Of course he is eager. He has a home in Birmingham and needs a job to go with it. I don't quite get the bit about wanting to move to Birmingham because he has a home there. If he has a home there, surely he has already done the move. (I know what he means, he also has a home in South Africa but perhaps wants to move permanently to Britain).
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Donald was on 5live last night pimping himself. When asked about England's fast bowling issues he suggested that all they needed to do was get Jones, Harmison, Hoggard and Flintoff together and there wasn't a lot to be done. Thanks for the expert advice Allan.
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Donald was on 5live last night pimping himself. When asked about England's fast bowling issues he suggested that all they needed to do was get Jones, Harmison, Hoggard and Flintoff together and there wasn't a lot to be done. Thanks for the expert advice Allan.
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So...let me get this right: Flower (a batsman and wicketkeeper) pimps the bowlers from Birmingham while Shine refuses to tour but helps the batsman at the academy, presumably in the art of how to play bad medium-pace?
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So...let me get this right: Flower (a batsman and wicketkeeper) pimps the bowlers from Birmingham while Shine refuses to tour but helps the batsman at the academy, presumably in the art of how to play bad medium-pace?
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I'm not sure whether it was me going mad or perhaps that the BBC have changed their story but there was a suggestion that if Donald is appointed as bowling coach then Shine could move to become the Academy director. This job may suit Shine better as it would be principally based at Loughborough where Shine has relocated to. It may be a good move all round as AD seems to be doing a great job thus far and we need a replacement for Moores and I for one want Watkinson to stay at Lancs for the time being.
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