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Old 4th October 2007, 00:31   #161
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It just so happened that Morris, a former Test batsman and Glamorgan captain, sat on Schofield’s review panel, but the choice of Mike Gatting as managing director of cricket partnerships — effectively the Morris role below international level — provides evidence that the ECB is not simply providing jobs for the boys.

What is Gatting if he isn't one of the boys?
Say what you like about big fat gat (and I will), but he's a big fan of county cricket, and the job is to act as a linkman between county cricket and the ECB, Graveney & Moores. Compare and contrast him with the likes of Atherton and Hussain who can't stand the domestic game.
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Old 4th October 2007, 01:58   #162
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Say what you like about big fat gat (and I will), but he's a big fan of county cricket, and the job is to act as a linkman between county cricket and the ECB, Graveney & Moores. Compare and contrast him with the likes of Atherton and Hussain who can't stand the domestic game.
Maybe, but I was just saying that he is clearly one of the boys, more so than Hugh Morris.
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Old 4th October 2007, 10:36   #163
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Should provide him with a few free lunches anyhow.
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Old 4th October 2007, 11:07   #164
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With a test team capable of tackling the Aussies, unlike the one that lost 5-0 last time, we'll match up well against the vast majority of other teams we might encounter.



We lost our last Test series at HOME and I'm pretty certain we will lose our next one away.

Are you saying that these dont really matter as long as we give the Ozzies a good game?
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Old 4th October 2007, 11:32   #165
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We lost our last Test series at HOME and I'm pretty certain we will lose our next one away.

Are you saying that these dont really matter as long as we give the Ozzies a good game?
I'm not talking about merely pushing the Aussies for 4 days before folding at the end, no. I'm talking about taking a series with them to the limit, and, just maybe, coming out on top.

The loss to India was not catastrophic, IMO, in that it was only a three test series and England were within a dodgy umpiring decision (or two) of at least drawing the series. We always struggle in SL, it seems, and will do so this time unless Murali's fitness issues continue.
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Old 4th October 2007, 11:39   #166
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The Ashes isnt the be all and end all of world cricket. Well it certainly isnt for me. Losing two out of three test series(thats if we lose in Sri Lanka) is more of a problem than losing to The Ozzies.
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Old 4th October 2007, 12:03   #167
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The Ashes isnt the be all and end all of world cricket. Well it certainly isnt for me. Losing two out of three test series(thats if we lose in Sri Lanka) is more of a problem than losing to The Ozzies.
It is always likely that there will be a couple of less than great series performances after losing 5-0 to Australia, and bringing in a new coach. Oh, and a new bowling attack.

Just when it looked as if England had built a side that would be a foundation for a few years, it got decimated by injuries. It turned out that we didn't have the depth of squad to withstand all of that.

In rebuilding, however, it makes good sense to look for the core group of players who'll have the right stuff to match up to and eventually beat the team at the top of the pack. That just happens to be Australia. If it were India, I would say that we ought to aim our sights at beating them.
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Did anyone hear Gatt interviewed on TMS during the innings break yesterday? He seemed very uncertain what the role entailed - seemed like lots of liaison - everything from grassroots up to counties, and with other organisations outside the ECB too. In this latter respect Gatt is well qualified because he already has close links with the Lords Taverners, and has been with Chance to shine since the beginning. He does know his grassroots cricket.

However I am not sure the ECB needs another highly paid executive to liaise with the counties - there are very good structures in place on the performance development side as it is - the problem is (was) getting the England coach to take any notice of them! And giving the county chairman Gatt's ear is just going to give them another way of influencing policy - like they need it...

Another thing brought out in the discussion was that everyone has conveniently forgotten that Schofield recommended scrapping Pro 40. The competition was generally dissed because 'it's a big favourite with the counties and is just there to make money'. Hang on a minute - why does it make money? Because people like watching it ffs! Don't the views of cricket fans, voting with their ££ no less, count for anything?

Something else I almost forgot to mention - they were also talking about Hugh Morris' approach to discipline and the guy from the Daily Mail said that was needed when Fred was misbehaving in Australia. I found it very interesting someone from the press has finally broken ranks on this one, as very little was reported at the time (if anything), it wasn't dragged up during the World Cup, and it's hardly been mentioned since.
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I notice Gatting and Hussain were exchanging pleasantries through the media again
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Old 5th October 2007, 20:40   #170
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Something else I almost forgot to mention - they were also talking about Hugh Morris' approach to discipline and the guy from the Daily Mail said that was needed when Fred was misbehaving in Australia. I found it very interesting someone from the press has finally broken ranks on this one, as very little was reported at the time (if anything), it wasn't dragged up during the World Cup, and it's hardly been mentioned since.
Daily Mail in wanting greater discipline shocker!

I'm uneasy about dictating to the players what they can and can't do. Players should be made aware of the effect of consuming alcohol, but I think it should be up to the player how much they want to maximise their performance. If they want to go to a strip-club after a game, or even the night before an evening game that's their business.
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Daily Mail in wanting greater discipline shocker!
I'm sure the individual journalists are generally very keen on being disciplined.

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I'm uneasy about dictating to the players what they can and can't do. Players should be made aware of the effect of consuming alcohol, but I think it should be up to the player how much they want to maximise their performance. If they want to go to a strip-club after a game, or even the night before an evening game that's their business.
Agree entirely. I don't especially think it's a good idea for them to be boozing or clubbing but hauling them in front of ECB disciplinary committees for it doesn't strike me as a good idea. Quiet words are fair enough in the first instance. Certainly the captain and to a lesser extent the senior players ought to be expected to set an example though. Their places should come under threat if they misbehave in a way that might lead the youngsters astray. Youngsters should find their own forms of misbehaviour.
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Its pathetic that when the ECB did the press release for this (Thnx to Vaughans #1 fan for posting) that they made great effort to point out that Gatting was an 'Ashes' winning captain ..
It should also apply to others. Therefore whenever we mention Brearly, Gower, & Vaughan we should put "Ashes Winning Captain" before their names.

In fact why stop there? We could say "Ashes winning batsman Ian Bell" or "Ashes winning bowler Matthew Hoggard". Even "Ashes winning wicket keeper Geraint Jones".
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It should also apply to others. Therefore whenever we mention Brearly, Gower, & Vaughan we should put "Ashes Winning Captain" before their names.

In fact why stop there? We could say "Ashes winning batsman Ian Bell" or "Ashes winning bowler Matthew Hoggard". Even "Ashes winning wicket keeper Geraint Jones".
No we couldn't because it is isn't strictly true. Ashes Winning captain has some grain of truth as captaincy can be the difference between winning and losing. "Ashes winning batsman Ian Bell" is patently incorrect. The most you could say is "Ian Bell, part of the Ashes winning team". Or "Ashes 2005: been there, got the teeshirt MBE".
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Well I'm happy to refer to Bell and the other batsmen as Ashes winning batsmen.

Its a better idea than awarding them all the MBE. It has set a bit of a precedent. What happens every time we win the Ashes?
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Another thing brought out in the discussion was that everyone has conveniently forgotten that Schofield recommended scrapping Pro 40. The competition was generally dissed because 'it's a big favourite with the counties and is just there to make money'. Hang on a minute - why does it make money? Because people like watching it ffs! Don't the views of cricket fans, voting with their ££ no less, count for anything?
Have to say there was a reasonable amount of logic in getting rid of the pro 40 competition, which to me, at any rate is a 2nd rate competition. It is played at the end of the season where sometimes the motivation doesn't look all that. I would have been in favour of spreading out the 50 over competition (rather than mostly played at the start of the season), adding a couple of matches, could add in a Minor counties select X1 and an ECB under 21 side to the 2 leagues (to try and help develop younger players). To play it over May and July might get more attendances than the often grimy weather at the start of the season.

And of course T20 is the biggest attended domestic comp of the lot.
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Well I'm happy to refer to Bell and the other batsmen as Ashes winning batsmen.

Its a better idea than awarding them all the MBE. It has set a bit of a precedent. What happens every time we win the Ashes?
I don't know. We don't win the Ashes often enough for me to be able to tell.
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I think those that haven't already got one should be awarded an MBE for the recent series win in SL.

After all, it was quite an achievement...one which took longer than getting back the Ashes.
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Well he would deserve something for the Indian ODI series win. Oh, he got the MotS trophy for that though.
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