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Old 19th October 2007, 14:07   #121
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This could possibly be a bit of mischief-making by Pringle in today's Telegraph in his piece on the possible test squad. Do we really believe that KP asked to miss this tour?
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Old 19th October 2007, 14:15   #122
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This could possibly be a bit of mischief-making by Pringle in today's Telegraph in his piece on the possible test squad. Do we really believe that KP asked to miss this tour?
Not mischief making, merely reporting. I expect someone at the ECB has been briefing him at lunch, in an attempt to counter KP's public criticisms of the England schedule.

I'd be tempted to rest KP from the NZ tour. NZ probably isn't his type of his pitches and bowling, and I think he'd benefit greatly from a rest.
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Not mischief making, merely reporting. I expect someone at the ECB has been briefing him at lunch, in an attempt to counter KP's public criticisms of the England schedule.

I'd be tempted to rest KP from the NZ tour. NZ probably isn't his type of his pitches and bowling, and I think he'd benefit greatly from a rest.
Really? I'd still back him to be our best batsman, even on surfaces that don't quite suit him. If he is to be left out I'd choose a random ODI series. There are enough of those about. Of course, he's a vital player in ODIs too but I just don't care about them nearly as much.
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Old 19th October 2007, 14:56   #124
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Really? I'd still back him to be our best batsman, even on surfaces that don't quite suit him. If he is to be left out I'd choose a random ODI series. There are enough of those about. Of course, he's a vital player in ODIs too but I just don't care about them nearly as much.
He's likely to still be our best batsman, but not by such a distance. I'd rest him from both tests and ODIs.
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He's likely to still be our best batsman, but not by such a distance. I'd rest him from both tests and ODIs.
Fair enough. It's a judgement call on just how tired he is. It goes against the grain to be leaving our better players out of test matches as far as I'm concerned though.
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Anyway, what's Pringle on about, suggesting Pietersen wanted to be at home to organise his wedding in December? Haven't we shown on another thread that it's the bride's mother that does all the organising?
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Anyway, what's Pringle on about, suggesting Pietersen wanted to be at home to organise his wedding in December? Haven't we shown on another thread that it's the bride's mother that does all the organising?
Excellent point, well made. Nothing could be more ideal for a groom to be than to bugger off on a cricket tour while all the organising was done by the bride to be and her mum. Of course, there might be the odd thing the groom might want a right of veto on but nah, it never happens anyway.
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He's likely to still be our best batsman, but not by such a distance. I'd rest him from both tests and ODIs.



What if he had a rest and his replacement was outstanding. Would you then drop his replacement so Mr Tired could get back into the side?
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What if he had a rest and his replacement was outstanding. Would you then drop his replacement so Mr Tired could get back into the side?
Yes or drop someone else instead.
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Or KP would have too wait to get back into the side. He could have a real rest then if he couldn't get back into the side. He would probably moan about not getting into the Test Side and how he missed touring
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Or KP would have too wait to get back into the side. He could have a real rest then if he couldn't get back into the side. He would probably moan about not getting into the Test Side and how he missed touring
Yeah daz, we're talking about resting our best batsman, not chainsawing our side just to spite a guy who happens to be telling the truth about the fact that there's too much international cricket for players to keep their focus at its best throughout.
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He may be our best batsmen but if someone performs outstandingly he shouldnt have to give way just because Mr Tired wants to play ball again.
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He may be our best batsmen but if someone performs outstandingly he shouldnt have to give way just because Mr Tired wants to play ball again.
No indeed. According to normal selection policy, the least good batsman in the side would make way for the returning best batsman in the country. Which batsman that was might well be a matter for debate but leaving out a player clearly better than any of those in the side in his absence would be beserk.
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Pietersen has to play in test matches. It's in tests that he makes a big difference, whereas in ODIs his contribution has been somewhat peripheral in the last few months.
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To be fair, if he wants to sit out a tour I'd let him. But I wouldn't pay him his salary for the time he missed though.

If he doesn't have the stamina of say... Paul Collingwood...
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I personally don't believe KP would have asked to miss the test tour. If anything he would have asked to miss this ODI tour or the T20 World Cup. The test series is a real in and out job with three back to back tests, with over a months break either side.

On the point that he would have to fight to get back into the side if he rested himself, its hardly as if there aren't going to be a couple of batsmen who don't do well. We are talking about a player who has averaged pretty much 50 in the last five test series he's played in. In ODIs, I don't think he makes a massive difference, but in tests I just think he is in a different league. He is consistent and forges lots of partnerships, much more than any other player.

On GBG's idea that the NZ tour would be more missable for KP, I completely disagree. I think he plays seam incredibly well with the huge stride he has and he can really dominate fast bowlers when he gets on top. The slow, low and turning pitches of SL may frustrate him. He does play spin well, but I have always felt he was a terrific player of seam bowling.
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I agree with CoE above he could have really missed an ODI junket, but I doubt he'd have wanted to miss the T20 bash in SA. Apparently the ECB have some sympathy with the schedule that we go through and I think there is a real case for him missing the NZ ODI series, which is probably about 3 weeks long.
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Anyway, what's Pringle on about, suggesting Pietersen wanted to be at home to organise his wedding in December? Haven't we shown on another thread that it's the bride's mother that does all the organising?
I can't remember who, but last time this issue was discussed, someone described Pringle as "not the marrying kind".
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To be fair, if he wants to sit out a tour I'd let him. But I wouldn't pay him his salary for the time he missed though.

If he doesn't have the stamina of say... Paul Collingwood...
KP has been playing in the England team a series or two longer than Colly. I wouldn't want to tempt fate on that one just yet.
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