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Old 19th July 2015, 22:52   #241
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Now that Lyth and Ballance seem unlikely to be selected for the next test what are the alternatives?
I think I'd stick with Lyth, and promote Bell to no. 3.

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Bell has to be dropped, with Bairstow coming in.

Root is wasted down the order, needs to be batting far higher.
I think Buttler, who's effectively playing as a specialist bat since his keeping is pants, is the obvious person to step aside if Bairstow is to return. However, I think it is quite revealing that Rashid and Bairstow are the ones lined up, both of whom have had England careers already and been dropped, when everyone else in the team is from Yorkshire already and most of them are awful. How does the adage go? When Yorkshire are strong, England pick them all and turn into a bunch of spineless idiots as a result? Regarding Root, I don't see how it can possibly be suggested that he's wasted down the order. It seems to me that he's been doing rather well, despite his county provenance. When he doesn't, it's not because he's batting too low, is it?
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Old 19th July 2015, 23:13   #242
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I think I'd stick with Lyth, and promote Bell to no. 3.

I think Buttler, who's effectively playing as a specialist bat since his keeping is pants, is the obvious person to step aside if Bairstow is to return. However, I think it is quite revealing that Rashid and Bairstow are the ones lined up, both of whom have had England careers already and been dropped, when everyone else in the team is from Yorkshire already and most of them are awful. How does the adage go? When Yorkshire are strong, England pick them all and turn into a bunch of spineless idiots as a result? Regarding Root, I don't see how it can possibly be suggested that he's wasted down the order. It seems to me that he's been doing rather well, despite his county provenance. When he doesn't, it's not because he's batting too low, is it?
That Yorkshire England strong thing is a folk myth. Yorkshire were strongest in the 30's and 60's, when England were unsuccessful. Yorkshire were poor in the 50's when England were generally good. With Root I fear the Aussies may have worked him out, though he was unlucky to get out to a ball keeping low.
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Old 20th July 2015, 00:56   #243
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That Yorkshire England strong thing is a folk myth. Yorkshire were strongest in the 30's and 60's, when England were unsuccessful. Yorkshire were poor in the 50's when England were generally good. With Root I fear the Aussies may have worked him out, though he was unlucky to get out to a ball keeping low.
Yeah, but if the strong Yorkshire players are playing for England, they are no longer playing (much) for Yorkshire, which means the second stringers are playing in the weaker Yorkshire squad.

Mind you, when Root and Bairstow came into the England test team a couple of years ago, their replacements for Yorkshire seemed to go through a growth spurt. Bresnan was also in the England team at that time.

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Old 20th July 2015, 08:11   #244
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Why is it that Australia can call up Josh Hazelwood and he immediately looks as good as any English bowler I've seen, while we get excited about Mark Wood when he takes a couple of wickets and does a horse dance?

And with question marks over most of our batting lineup, Strauss' decision to force out one of the best alternatives in county cricket seems less than sensible now.
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Old 20th July 2015, 08:26   #245
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Why is it that Australia can call up Josh Hazelwood and he immediately looks as good as any English bowler I've seen, while we get excited about Mark Wood when he takes a couple of wickets and does a horse dance?

And with question marks over most of our batting lineup, Strauss' decision to force out one of the best alternatives in county cricket seems less than sensible now.
Because we have not picked Craig Overton who learned his game at Taunton and has almost 40 wickets at 18 this season. He must average over 30 with the bat. He is going to be a star. Mark my words.
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Why is it that Australia can call up Josh Hazelwood and he immediately looks as good as any English bowler I've seen, while we get excited about Mark Wood when he takes a couple of wickets and does a horse dance?
...and allegedly seems to be so fragile that he needs resting regularly...
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Old 20th July 2015, 09:37   #247
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He is going to be a star. Mark my words.
I think England have noticed this already given that he's netted with them. Watched his brother at the Oval in the T20 on Friday. Good wheels.
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And with question marks over most of our batting lineup, Strauss' decision to force out one of the best alternatives in county cricket seems less than sensible now.
Indeed. I remember prior to the summer tests people were seriously trying to make the point that Ballance and Bell were more likely to make runs than Pietersen. That looks even more ridiculous now with the benefit of hindsight.
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Old 20th July 2015, 10:17   #249
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...However, I think it is quite revealing that Rashid and Bairstow are the ones lined up, both of whom have had England careers already and been dropped, when everyone else in the team is from Yorkshire already and most of them are awful. How does the adage go? When Yorkshire are strong, England pick them all and turn into a bunch of spineless idiots as a result? Regarding Root, I don't see how it can possibly be suggested that he's wasted down the order. It seems to me that he's been doing rather well, despite his county provenance. When he doesn't, it's not because he's batting too low, is it?
I can't work out whether this post, and a few others, are motivated by rabid countyism or simply envy.
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Old 20th July 2015, 11:00   #250
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Seems incredible that Ballance is likely to be dropped and Bell retained just be cause it's his home track.
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If he played much on it one could understand it more.
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Swann is advocating for giving everyone another chance at Edgbaston. Must be as a paid up member of the players' union.

It is rather unnerving to make changes when the replacements could equally well plunge England into a 30-4 type mire. What then?

It would be a more confident move to make one or two changes. Finn may have to be brought in for Mark Wood. Bairstow should be brought in for Ballance, with the necessary juggle of the order to get Bairstow at 5 or 6. If Moeen's side strain is still a problem, let's get Rashid in.

Bell should be looking over his shoulder, but with the above changes, he will probably get another test. The win in Cardiff probably ensures we won't be seeing a big sweep change just yet.
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So now that James Taylor has booked a place in the next test, the question is will he bat at 3, 4 or 5?
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I'm not for a minute suggesting he should be called up anytime soon but Ben Duckett opened in Nhants' most recent championship game. If I remember correctly he did ok for them in a car crash top flight campaign last season - certainly one to keep an eye on.

Oh and a five wicket burst for Footitt in that fixture.
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I'm not for a minute suggesting he should be called up anytime soon but Ben Duckett opened in Nhants' most recent championship game. If I remember correctly he did ok for them in a car crash top flight campaign last season - certainly one to keep an eye on.

Oh and a five wicket burst for Footitt in that fixture.
Blimey, Duckett's only 20.

He seems to have been around for a long time. This is his 4th season at Northants but the first when he's scored any runs for them. Hopefully he's turned a corner.
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Duckett's a keeper as well isn't he? I was impressed when I saw him a couple of years ago but it's way too early. Bell-Drummond is probably higher on the up curve at the moment.
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...Finn may have to be brought in for Mark Wood. ...
I think that is the last change I would make and hopefully the selectors agree.

The last time Finn played against the Aussies, Anderson had to bowl half his overs for him. I reckon they'd really go after him again, especially now he's lost his pace, the only thing he had.

Also, Wood has not bowled too badly, can hold a bat and is not bad in the field.
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I think that is the last change I would make and hopefully the selectors agree.

The last time Finn played against the Aussies, Anderson had to bowl half his overs for him. I reckon they'd really go after him again, especially now he's lost his pace, the only thing he had.

Also, Wood has not bowled too badly, can hold a bat and is not bad in the field.
Wood has bowled well but he looks like carrying an injury and they said he would only play 2 Tests in a row at this early stage of his career.
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If Wood has a slight injury, he has plenty of time to recover before the 3rd test.
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Footit and Duckett - sounds like a firm of country solicitors.
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