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Old 3rd October 2012, 14:50   #121
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There was an article about Yorkshire mining on the One Show last night, specifically about pit ponies but plenty of humans featured too. None of the humans looked in any way capable of delivering 85mph outswingers on a decent length, so I reckon my point is valid.
I can't do anything about the voting public.

They are still using pit ponies at Hatfield?! At least they've moved on from square pit head winding gear.
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Old 3rd October 2012, 16:22   #122
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I can't do anything about the voting public.

They are still using pit ponies at Hatfield?! At least they've moved on from square pit head winding gear.
Nah, it was a historical article centred around 'Sultan' a 200 metre sculpture of a pit pony, made out of old shale, in Caerphilly. Looks mightily impressive from the air:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/pi...h.html?image=4
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Old 3rd October 2012, 23:04   #123
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I know, I grew up in one. Many more towns will not recover from the 13 years of labour fawning to the City either at the expense of real jobs, or suppression of wages via uncontrolled immigration or the lack of increasing infrastructure to support this. How far back do you want to take the blame game?

One day, people will reap the benefits of Fatcher's canny move to retain our coal reserves for the future
If the pits were still around now the Greens would be wanting to close them down.
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Old 4th October 2012, 11:25   #124
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Nah, it was a historical article centred around 'Sultan' a 200 metre sculpture of a pit pony, made out of old shale, in Caerphilly. Looks mightily impressive from the air:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/pi...h.html?image=4
That is pretty impressive. Which made me think, whatever happened to crop circles? Not seen a story on those for yonks.
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What are Yorkshire going to do with all these seam bowlers?
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Old 4th October 2012, 23:37   #127
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What are Yorkshire going to do with all these seam bowlers?
I don't think we have that many now, we just had an absolute paucity of decent ones before (as the Harmison loan move showed for example). Wardlaw's contract is up this year so may leave, OHD also linked with a move away so effectively Brooks and Plunkett could end up replacing them.
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Old 5th October 2012, 07:21   #128
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How are Yorkshire going to keep all twelve seamers happy? I can't see the last four playing any first team games next season so what is the point of retaining them?
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Old 5th October 2012, 08:08   #129
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Starc
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Lilley
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How are Yorkshire going to keep all twelve seamers happy? I can't see the last four playing any first team games next season so what is the point of retaining them?
I'm not sure if Wardlaw has a contract beyond this year?

Hannon-Dalby has been linked with a move away I believe.
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Old 5th October 2012, 08:35   #130
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Starc is unlikely to play for us next year at all. If we sign an overseas player, I'd expect a batsman or an all-rounder. Sidebottom doesn't seem to be able to get through a season without getting injured these days. Bresnan will still be missing parts of the season with England. Lilley and Wainman are barely out of the Academy. So I really don't see this as a problem. They'll be kept happy by playing in different teams - for example I expect Brooks to be CC only, Plunkett and Pyrah one-day only; at least to begin with.
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Starc is unlikely to play for us next year at all. If we sign an overseas player, I'd expect a batsman or an all-rounder. Sidebottom doesn't seem to be able to get through a season without getting injured these days. Bresnan will still be missing parts of the season with England. Lilley and Wainman are barely out of the Academy. So I really don't see this as a problem. They'll be kept happy by playing in different teams - for example I expect Brooks to be CC only, Plunkett and Pyrah one-day only; at least to begin with.
I was going to mention Starc myself. An IPL contract beckons and he will then be in the Oz squad that tours England next summer.
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I don't really have anything to add to what Rey has said. Leaving OHD and Wardlaw aside for now, we'll have 6 first team seamers plus Bresnan and the 2 young lads who will clearly play 2nd XI. That's not more than other counties; Surrey have 8 seamers in their first team squad, Sussex and Hampshire 7- they manage them by using different bowlers in different competitions, which is what I expect Yorkshire to do.
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OHD has had a lot of time and effort put into him, so it's whether Dizzy is going to try one more year to make him into a first-class bowler, or admit defeat and give another county a go (if they actually want to). Wardlaw is a peculiar case, in that he's still learning his trade at an older age. I think he can get better, and hasn't disgraced his self when played in the one day team.
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Starc is unlikely to play for us next year at all. If we sign an overseas player, I'd expect a batsman or an all-rounder. Sidebottom doesn't seem to be able to get through a season without getting injured these days. Bresnan will still be missing parts of the season with England. Lilley and Wainman are barely out of the Academy. So I really don't see this as a problem. They'll be kept happy by playing in different teams - for example I expect Brooks to be CC only, Plunkett and Pyrah one-day only; at least to begin with.
Also Pyrah's basically a batting all rounder. he could figure in the championship since in the relegation season of 2010 he was one of the few bright spots. this season he's been blighted by injury but he should come again. I suppose Ashraf could get called up to the England Lions.
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Also Pyrah's basically a batting all rounder. he could figure in the championship since in the relegation season of 2010 he was one of the few bright spots. this season he's been blighted by injury but he should come again. I suppose Ashraf could get called up to the England Lions.
Pyrah is absolutely not a batting all-rounder, his bowling is by far his stronger suit and he shouldn't really bat higher than 8 in FC cricket. I think he'll be well down the pecking order in the Championship anyway...
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I don't really have anything to add to what Rey has said. Leaving OHD and Wardlaw aside for now, we'll have 6 first team seamers plus Bresnan and the 2 young lads who will clearly play 2nd XI. That's not more than other counties; Surrey have 8 seamers in their first team squad, Sussex and Hampshire 7- they manage them by using different bowlers in different competitions, which is what I expect Yorkshire to do.
I'm not trying to make any sort of point re. numbers needed, just to clarify that Surrey's 8 seamers include three who are pretty close to various England squads if fit (Tremlett, Dernbach, Meaker) and three more who have played no more than half a dozen or so Championship matches between them and are aged 21 or under (Dunn, Jewell, Edwards), which leaves just Linley & Lewis as regular county players. Compare that, for instance, with newly promoted Derbyshire, who have Palladino, Groenewald, Footitt, Clare, Turner who are always likely to be available and are reasonably mature.

Therefore Surrey could easily be left with not that many experienced regular options to choose from for any given CC match. It's just an example of how easily a pace attack might pick itself with no real options even when there are as many as eight contracted pace bowlers on the staff.
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OHD has had a lot of time and effort put into him, so it's whether Dizzy is going to try one more year to make him into a first-class bowler, or admit defeat and give another county a go (if they actually want to). Wardlaw is a peculiar case, in that he's still learning his trade at an older age. I think he can get better, and hasn't disgraced his self when played in the one day team.
Barnsley certainly have benefited more from that time and effort into OHD than Yorkshire have to date. I don't think another county will be interested in his brand of pie unless he slips himself - I hope I'm wrong but I cant see anything about him first class if he stays here.
I agree about Wardlaw, who is a late work in progress and although he seems to infuriate the Yorkshire woeful who insist on any bowler dropping immediately onto an immaculate line and length, he is in possession of something which OHD has had battered out of him.
Adding to the debate above I think Pyrah is supposed to be a batting all rounder - that it works the other way is more to do with everyone else exploding or imploding.Which is probably why we need so many.
Yorkshire have a habit of breaking bowlers, so nine or ten seamers is probably only adequate - Starc may be withdrawn by the ACB as a tourists -Sidebottom may pull up lame at any time, Bresan may carry drinks the whole summer, Ashraf and Patterson are young .... Plunkett couldn't bowl a hoop down a hill for the past three years......I personally think we need more.
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Yorkshire have a habit of breaking bowlers, so nine or ten seamers is probably only adequate - Starc may be withdrawn by the ACB as a tourists -Sidebottom may pull up lame at any time, Bresan may carry drinks the whole summer, Ashraf and Patterson are young .... Plunkett couldn't bowl a hoop down a hill for the past three years......I personally think we need more.
When we had a production line in the 90's one wag said Yorkshire needed 6 seamers to get 2 on the pitch. Nothing changes.
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Sorry to repeat myself, but people saying Pyrah is a batting all-rounder clearly haven't seen him play very much recently, he's quite useful in one-day cricket as he can put bat to ball at the end of the innings but he's well short in FC cricket. He may have 3 FC centuries but 2 were against Loughborough UCCE- his batting average in the Championship is 23. Patterson isn't young either, he's just turned 29! Agree with diteras' assessment of OHD though, and I'm not as down on Wardlaw as others- I think he coule be a decent one-day and T20 bowler, better than Plunkett, Brooks and Patterson (certainly in the latter) at least.

I wasn't trying to make a point about Surrey having so many fast bowlers earlier btw, just that in modern-day cricket with players missing for England duty, specialising in different formats, being injury-prone etc. you may well need that kind of number of seamers.
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