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Old 27th September 2012, 12:42   #41
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It is - and one of the biggest problems is the counties take it seriously and perpare wickets to win rather than entertain.

2011 Worcs v Warwcks on a slow wicket - prepared as such cos slowies give Warcks probs - Worcs 112 with 8 boundaries was enough to beat Warcks easily.

Marvellous.
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Old 27th September 2012, 13:00   #42
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It is - and one of the biggest problems is the counties take it seriously and perpare wickets to win rather than entertain.

2011 Worcs v Warwcks on a slow wicket - prepared as such cos slowies give Warcks probs - Worcs 112 with 8 boundaries was enough to beat Warcks easily.

Marvellous.
I guess that was on a used pitch? That's another problem with having so many home games.
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Old 27th September 2012, 13:00   #43
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I'm a bit bemused about the use of the word 'entertain' here. Personally, I'd be infinitely more entertained by watching two or three spinners making life hard for a top order than by watching a couple of muscular blokes hammering sixes off trundlers on a perfect batting wicket. Isn't one of the compelling aspects of one day cricket seeing your side squeeze the oppo's batting - "Ooh, look, the scoring rate's dipped below 5....ooh, it's 4.75 now" etc etc.
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Old 27th September 2012, 13:11   #44
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Problem is Summer that enertaining you isnt the priority. Aim of T20 was/is to get new people to watch the game. And thats not how you do it.
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Old 27th September 2012, 13:22   #45
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Problem is Summer that enertaining you isnt the priority. Aim of T20 was/is to get new people to watch the game. And thats not how you do it.
I was going to make the same point (odd that we actually agree on the Domestic Cricket board). I think the best compromise is what it looks like they may be heading for, a T20 league on accessible nights throughout the season for the county fans and then a short franchise competition in the middle. County fans who are repulsed by the idea will have a 3 week period to take their summer holiday without missing any county or international cricket whilst the ECB can put on a show for the casual cricket/sport fans who don't have any real county alliegence but want to see the best players in the world play with the best English players.
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Old 27th September 2012, 13:28   #46
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Problem is Summer that enertaining you isnt the priority. Aim of T20 was/is to get new people to watch the game. And thats not how you do it.
And new people are incapable of comprehending a battle between a spinner and a batter on a helpful wicket? Wow.
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Old 27th September 2012, 13:31   #47
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And new people are incapable of comprehending a battle between a spinner and a batter on a helpful wicket? Wow.
You really think they are? That the way to get them in is to watch a game like that? Try taking a kid and see how bored they get...
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You really think they are? That the way to get them in is to watch a game like that? Try taking a kid and see how bored they get...
Been that kid, amongst thousands of others, watching the JPL in the 70s. To all intents and purposes, the JPL was simply an earlier prototype of T20 - get loads of new people in via the easier access, guarantee a result plus a faster scoring rate and, most importantly, feed into tribalism more intensely than the f-c game does. And the reaction to the manufactured shots and slogs was no less vehement than it is today. Of course, we loved it when Kent batted first and piled on 225 then won by 70 runs. But we also thoroughly relished those occasions when we'd turn up at Mote Park to find a damp wicket, safe in the knowledge that Deadly would whip out Lancashire for less than a hundred to secure the 4 points for our team.
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Old 27th September 2012, 13:50   #49
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one of the prime reasons for the popularity of the JPL was that in those days the pubs shut at 2 and it was the only place you could get a drink on a Sunday afternoon!
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one of the prime reasons for the popularity of the JPL was that in those days the pubs shut at 2 and it was the only place you could get a drink on a Sunday afternoon!
True, but it wasn't an enticement for me and all the other thousands of kids who attended.
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I was going to make the same point (odd that we actually agree on the Domestic Cricket board). I think the best compromise is what it looks like they may be heading for, a T20 league on accessible nights throughout the season for the county fans and then a short franchise competition in the middle. County fans who are repulsed by the idea will have a 3 week period to take their summer holiday without missing any county or international cricket whilst the ECB can put on a show for the casual cricket/sport fans who don't have any real county alliegence but want to see the best players in the world play with the best English players.
Although I despise franchise cricket with all my heart and soul, even trying to put my neutral hat on I don't see how this would work unless England were prepared to sacrifice some international matches, which just ain't going to happen.

Next year for example the only "window" for this is a tiny 2 week one between the end of the Champions' Trophy and the start of the Ashes - and if you think next year is crammed, there was actually NO window for it in 2012.

Secondly you have the other massive obstacle to your last sentence which is that England would make practically all their players unavailable due to their existing heavy international schedule and the visiting tourists (for example if it were next year, Australia) would also have their players unavailable as they would already be involved in preparation for the upcoming Test series.

Finally, you have the risk that even if somehow these obstacles were removed it would prove a flop anyway played in half-empty grounds, with English spectators retaining their existing allegiance to spending their already allotted "cricket time" and money on watching the England team and county fans simply staying away.
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Old 27th September 2012, 15:23   #52
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I was going to make the same point (odd that we actually agree on the Domestic Cricket board). I think the best compromise is what it looks like they may be heading for, a T20 league on accessible nights throughout the season for the county fans and then a short franchise competition in the middle. County fans who are repulsed by the idea will have a 3 week period to take their summer holiday without missing any county or international cricket whilst the ECB can put on a show for the casual cricket/sport fans who don't have any real county alliegence but want to see the best players in the world play with the best English players.
According to what? I've not seen that as a possibility recently anywhere.
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Old 27th September 2012, 16:06   #53
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Although I despise franchise cricket with all my heart and soul, even trying to put my neutral hat on I don't see how this would work unless England were prepared to sacrifice some international matches, which just ain't going to happen.

Next year for example the only "window" for this is a tiny 2 week one between the end of the Champions' Trophy and the start of the Ashes - and if you think next year is crammed, there was actually NO window for it in 2012.

Secondly you have the other massive obstacle to your last sentence which is that England would make practically all their players unavailable due to their existing heavy international schedule and the visiting tourists (for example if it were next year, Australia) would also have their players unavailable as they would already be involved in preparation for the upcoming Test series.

Finally, you have the risk that even if somehow these obstacles were removed it would prove a flop anyway played in half-empty grounds, with English spectators retaining their existing allegiance to spending their already allotted "cricket time" and money on watching the England team and county fans simply staying away.
I always think the biggest obstacle is India. Thats where the money is - and I simply dont see them allowing thier players to play in a rival to the IPL. DDb can advise but I cant remember Indian players being allowed into any rival tournament.
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They're banned from playing in any other T20 tournament- why Harbhajan had to delay his arrival at Essex until after the T20 break, for example. Not really the best way of ensuring that Indian players have experience of different conditions, but there you go.
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Well that settles it, then. Good.

Personally I think English domestic cricket's strength is precisely that - despite all the moans about attendances, the English domestic scene still attracts the best support in the world.

So rather than try and set up a franchise or something, concentrate on marketing the domestic t20 and setting it up so people can go as much as possible and do not get fatigued by lots of fixtures in a small time-frame.

English cricket does not need superstars to fill grounds - just look at the ODIs where the sides are often missing the stars, and the t20 and CB40 finals this year. The CB40 semis were also very reasonably attended. People do like to support their local teams.

I'm not even sure about the crowd-pulling strengths of international players beyond the absolute superstars. The English tend to be quite parochial about their sporting interests, unlike in India where they seem to take a broad interest in what is going on internationally. I seriously wonder if you asked people at an English t20 game to name some current Australian players in a non-Ashes year, how many they could name.
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Old 7th October 2012, 15:04   #56
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If the current mooted scenario for 2014 onwards is adopted, with the same number of CC games, presumably the same or even more t20 games - and the CB40 going up to the CB50 - then it will be rather odd that a plan that originally proposed reducing the amount of cricket played will actually end up increasing the amount of cricket played.
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No county cricket of any sort on Sundays – or very little – from 2014 . . . hardly worth people in full-time employment having a season ticket:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cri...-approved.html

I presume that the reduction from 12 to 8 50-over matches per season means that Scotland, Holland and the Unicorns will be dumped from the competition.
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No I don't fully understand what that means either. But already there is precious little CC cricket played at weekends.

Regarding full-time employment, plenty of people find time to attend midweek away football matches travelling huge distances, Wimbledon fortnight, the Cheltenham racing festival in droves, Test cricket on Thursdays, Fridays and Mondays, so I'm not sure I buy into that.
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No I don't fully understand what that means either. But already there is precious little CC cricket played at weekends.

Regarding full-time employment, plenty of people find time to attend midweek away football matches travelling huge distances, Wimbledon fortnight, the Cheltenham racing festival in droves, Test cricket on Thursdays, Fridays and Mondays, so I'm not sure I buy into that.
My football team has five midweek away matches this season.

Four out of the five I could get to as long as I get out of the office by 6. The fifth I won't be attending.
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I presume that the reduction from 12 to 8 50-over matches per season means that Scotland, Holland and the Unicorns will be dumped from the competition.
I don't fully understand the article having read it twice. If the CB50 qualifying groups are to be played in 2 blocks, and t20 matches on Friday evenings, surely that will leave ample space in large areas of the season to start CC matches on Sundays, and on Saturdays early in the season before the t20 starts?
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