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Old 19th October 2012, 16:49   #81
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An intesting article on Cricinfo about the switch from 40 to 50 over cricket; I think the author makes some good points and I'd tend to agree with him.
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Old 20th October 2012, 10:22   #82
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I agree with that Cricinfo article too. Especially the boring middle overs bit!

It will be much harder to get people to go to 50 over games - especially as they are likely to be scheduled on weekdays. I know Saturdays are available for them too, but with Friday night T20 and Sunday Championship starts it could be logistically difficult to play long games on many Saturdays too.

It's a shame there won't be much cricket for the casual fan at the weekend because there is interest, particularly if it is priced right. Although the Sunday starts are good news for county members in full time jobs they won't appeal to too many casual fans as they won't get to see the finish.
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Old 20th October 2012, 10:39   #83
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I agree with that Cricinfo article too. Especially the boring middle overs bit!

It will be much harder to get people to go to 50 over games - especially as they are likely to be scheduled on weekdays. I know Saturdays are available for them too, but with Friday night T20 and Sunday Championship starts it could be logistically difficult to play long games on many Saturdays too.

It's a shame there won't be much cricket for the casual fan at the weekend because there is interest, particularly if it is priced right. Although the Sunday starts are good news for county members in full time jobs they won't appeal to too many casual fans as they won't get to see the finish.
For a few years now, Middlesex has had a final day deal that lets U16s and OAPs in for free, and everyone else for a fiver. I've been along to a few Day 4 Saturdays when plenty of cricket, and a result, has been on the cards, and I'm afraid to say the number of casual fans in attendance has been minuscule.

I suspect the ECB and the counties has concluded that there simply isn't an adequate casual audience for weekend CC cricket and has decided to tailor the schedule to what is convenient to the reguiar county member. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of respondents to then survey were county regulars.
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Old 20th October 2012, 18:00   #84
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For a few years now, Middlesex has had a final day deal that lets U16s and OAPs in for free, and everyone else for a fiver. I've been along to a few Day 4 Saturdays when plenty of cricket, and a result, has been on the cards, and I'm afraid to say the number of casual fans in attendance has been minuscule.
If the venom I have read on some county message boards regarding a lack of weekend 4-day cricket actually translated into action, you'd think there would be 15,000 avid county cricket fans practically breaking the Grace Gate down on a Saturday morning at the home of cricket when championship action beckoned.
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If the venom I have read on some county message boards regarding a lack of weekend 4-day cricket actually translated into action, you'd think there would be 15,000 avid county cricket fans practically breaking the Grace Gate down on a Saturday morning at the home of cricket when championship action beckoned.
Well, this is it! There seems to be a constant theoretical clamour for more weekend cricket, but where are all these people in practice? Back in August, right in the centre of the most populated city in Europe, Surrey and Middx played the final day of their local derby on a Saturday. The forecast was for endless hot sunshine. The game was beautifully poised with all 3 (4?) results possible. Copious lashings of spin bowling were guaranteed. And, yet, the crowd was tiny, and certainly smaller than Friday's.

If they don't come, maybe there's no reason to build it?
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I agree partially, but there seems to be little interest in Saturday cricket but plenty for Sundays - never got to grips with why this might be
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I agree partially, but there seems to be little interest in Saturday cricket but plenty for Sundays - never got to grips with why this might be
I guess there are more alternative pursuits and obligations on a Saturday - it tends to be a lot of folks' day of purpose. Conversely, although Sunday is no longer quite the regimented 'family around the roast' day of yore, it still tends to be something of a lazy 'no plans' day.
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Also theres football at each end of the season, people will be playing cricket, shopping etc. Warwicks say it is always the worst day. Even a sem- final on a Saturday a few years ago didnt get many in.
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It's not going to happen over night. You have to build up.

The fact is that Saturday has far greater potential for crowds than Monday-Friday during the day, but it's a different audience to the ones who attend midweek. You need to alert the new audience and build up a tradition of Saturday cricket.

Out of interest, how do the pay on the gates compare between Saturday and midweek?
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It's not going to happen over night. You have to build up.

The fact is that Saturday has far greater potential for crowds than Monday-Friday during the day, but it's a different audience to the ones who attend midweek. You need to alert the new audience and build up a tradition of Saturday cricket.

Out of interest, how do the pay on the gates compare between Saturday and midweek?
"The public has to be educated up to cricket" - Roy Kilner.

I've no figures re pay on the gate punters but from my own experiences, I'd say there are more at weekends....although the increase will be very modest.
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Out of interest, how do the pay on the gates compare between Saturday and midweek?
At Hampshire pay gates for Championship, even on Saturdays, are miniscule. Much better for Pro 40 on the weekend. And when we opened the doors to punters foc all the tickets went in about a week... although not everyone turned up on the day.
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At Hampshire pay gates for Championship, even on Saturdays, are miniscule. Much better for Pro 40 on the weekend. And when we opened the doors to punters foc all the tickets went in about a week... although not everyone turned up on the day.
I have to say the Rose Bowl must be just about the least attractive venue in first class cricket for non-members. Things may have changed since my last visit in 2008 but facilities for non-members are almost non-existent, and it's in the middle of nowhere so you can't just pop out to a pub/cafe or do anything else of interest during intervals or rain breaks. It was also one of the most expensive venues for ground admission, so it's hardly surprising if the casual punters don't turn up and pay on the gate for Saturday cricket there.

At the Oval I think around 35% of overall attendances for Championship matches are non-members paying on the gate, although I've no idea whether the percentage is higher for Saturdays. (Overall crowds for days 2 or 3 seem smaller on Saturdays than for the equivalent days on weekdays.)
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I have to say the Rose Bowl must be just about the least attractive venue in first class cricket for non-members. Things may have changed since my last visit in 2008 but facilities for non-members are almost non-existent, and it's in the middle of nowhere so you can't just pop out to a pub/cafe or do anything else of interest during intervals or rain breaks. It was also one of the most expensive venues for ground admission, so it's hardly surprising if the casual punters don't turn up and pay on the gate for Saturday cricket there.
I'd rate Beckenham as less attractive. Apparently, during the sizzling hot CC game against Glos in 2009, the KCCC Supporters Club enjoyed its highest ever recruitment in a single day, as non-members paid up just so they could benefit from the shelter of the Supporters Club tent!

I think I'm actually one of the few people I know that quite likes The Rose Bowl. To be fair, I get reciprocal membership rights from my Kent card but, it did appear to me that anyone was being allowed into the pavilion.
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I'd rate Beckenham as less attractive. Apparently, during the sizzling hot CC game against Glos in 2009, the KCCC Supporters Club enjoyed its highest ever recruitment in a single day, as non-members paid up just so they could benefit from the shelter of the Supporters Club tent!

I think I'm actually one of the few people I know that quite likes The Rose Bowl. To be fair, I get reciprocal membership rights from my Kent card but, it did appear to me that anyone was being allowed into the pavilion.
I like it a lot. Excellent members facilities IMO. Beckenhams OK - tho Ive never been there on a hot day.

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I like it a lot. Excellent members facilities IMO.
Loads of leg room too. Not that I'm tall, but the Rose Bowl seats provide more comfortable space than Lord's and The Oval.

And that view from the top of the pavilion is splendid.

You weren't there when Trott and Woakes both made hundreds, were you?
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No - been a few times but wasnt there then. Remarkably that was Woakes first 100 for Warwickshire at any level.
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I saw Trott's hundred there and, on the subject of Beckenham, his ton there in 2004.
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I saw Trott's hundred there and, on the subject of Beckenham, his ton there in 2004.
I was at the third day of that game when Brad Hogg took 4 wickets in his only decent CC bowl for us. Only took 18 all year at a worse average than Collins Obuya managed for us. BUt his batting and attitude were crucial to that championship win.
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Non-member facilities at the Rose Bowl are a joke, and I'm a member so it doesn't affect me. The decision to make the Atrium bar behind the pavilion members only a couple of seasons ago just beggared belief.

Unfortunately it's probably not a position shared by many but as far as I'm concerned membership should just consist of free entry to games. The continuation of 'members only' areas only makes county cricket seem unappealing and elitist to the casual fan.
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Non-member facilities at the Rose Bowl are a joke, and I'm a member so it doesn't affect me. The decision to make the Atrium bar behind the pavilion members only a couple of seasons ago just beggared belief.

Unfortunately it's probably not a position shared by many but as far as I'm concerned membership should just consist of free entry to games. The continuation of 'members only' areas only makes county cricket seem unappealing and elitist to the casual fan.
Certainly, for Championship games, I see no reason why the admission price shouldn't confer 'Day membership' on the punter - ie access all areas for that particular day. Last year at Canterbury, I sat at the front of the Cowdrey Stand with two other members and two non-members. Midway through the morning session, there was a random membership pass check and my two mates were rumbled. When the steward suggested they should vacate the stand, I argued that (a) they were our guests and (b) the stand was only about 20% full anyway so, it's not as if they were denying members of a prime vantage point. My argument won the day and my pals got to stay.

Then there's the advantage of having non-members spending their refreshment budget in the club's own outlets rather than at the franchised burger vans.
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