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Old 26th October 2012, 19:15   #101
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Non-member facilities at the Rose Bowl are a joke, and I'm a member so it doesn't affect me. The decision to make the Atrium bar behind the pavilion members only a couple of seasons ago just beggared belief.

Unfortunately it's probably not a position shared by many but as far as I'm concerned membership should just consist of free entry to games. The continuation of 'members only' areas only makes county cricket seem unappealing and elitist to the casual fan.
thats long been my view too - if someone is willing to pay 15-20 for a days cricket, they should be allowed to spend money anywhere in the ground.Membership gives a discounted admission price in my view and nothing else
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Old 26th October 2012, 19:41   #102
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Membership gives a discounted admission price in my view and nothing else
Well, and the right to attend the AGM and vote for the club's officers.
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Old 26th October 2012, 21:26   #103
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thats long been my view too - if someone is willing to pay 15-20 for a days cricket, they should be allowed to spend money anywhere in the ground.Membership gives a discounted admission price in my view and nothing else
Me too. But can you imagine trying that.

You can still pay a bit extra to get access to members areas at Hove, sorry PRObiz, cant you? That seems a decent compromise
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Old 26th October 2012, 22:46   #104
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The continuation of 'members only' areas only makes county cricket seem unappealing and elitist to the casual fan.
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Old 27th October 2012, 09:41   #105
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Me too. But can you imagine trying that.

You can still pay a bit extra to get access to members areas at Hove, sorry PRObiz, cant you? That seems a decent compromise
Not sure why anyone would want to at Hove. The pavilion is sited square on to the wicket, whereas the new 'all access' PRobiz stand at deep mid-off/fine leg is very comfortable and affords good elevated views of the play. There's also plenty of loose chair seating at the railway end, right in the sun.

I've found the stewards very amenable at Hove, though, and have managed to obtain access to the pavilion even when my team isn't playing. In fact, I've detected a relaxing of some of the harsher access rules around the circuit in recent years. I can only speak for those county members that I know but, I'm not sure many of us sign up in order to achieve an elitist status; we do so either because we see it as a cheaper way of getting our cricket, or because we simply want to affiliate to something that's special to us.
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Old 27th October 2012, 17:47   #106
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Yes, I agree, it does put off the casual fan and make them feel uncomfortable.
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Old 27th October 2012, 18:01   #107
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Then there's the advantage of having non-members spending their refreshment budget in the club's own outlets rather than at the franchised burger vans.
Or even completely outside the ground.

This has been raised before, and as someone for whom going to county matches is a treat to myself, I often go fully willing to pay to eat in the restaurant as part of that treat. To have to negotiate to gain admission to, or even sneak into, the area where the restaurant is at some grounds, so I can spend 20-30 which goes to the club, does seem very odd.
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Old 28th October 2012, 12:18   #108
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Or even completely outside the ground.

This has been raised before, and as someone for whom going to county matches is a treat to myself, I often go fully willing to pay to eat in the restaurant as part of that treat. To have to negotiate to gain admission to, or even sneak into, the area where the restaurant is at some grounds, so I can spend 20-30 which goes to the club, does seem very odd.
Heaven forbid!
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Old 29th October 2012, 10:53   #109
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One interesting point I read elsewhere is how the 2014 onwards structure will affect the festivals, which traditionally have relied on combining a CC and Pro40 match(es)?

I guess one obvious answer would be to do the same with a CC and t20 match, but the issue there is that the group stages will be over by the time a lot of the festivals traditionally take place.
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Old 29th October 2012, 11:46   #110
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One interesting point I read elsewhere is how the 2014 onwards structure will affect the festivals, which traditionally have relied on combining a CC and Pro40 match(es)?

I guess one obvious answer would be to do the same with a CC and t20 match, but the issue there is that the group stages will be over by the time a lot of the festivals traditionally take place.
When are we thinking the T20 group stages will run til then? I assumed at least end of July if T20 games are now to run over the majority of the season.
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Old 30th October 2012, 10:50   #111
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I'd rate Beckenham as less attractive. Apparently, during the sizzling hot CC game against Glos in 2009, the KCCC Supporters Club enjoyed its highest ever recruitment in a single day, as non-members paid up just so they could benefit from the shelter of the Supporters Club tent!
The Rose Bowl is much the same if you're a non-member. A friend of mine (a Surrey supporter who lives just over the border with Hampshire) went there for the first time shortly after it opened and had to buy a HCCC sunhat as it was an extremely hot day and there was absolutely no shelter outside members-only areas.

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I like it a lot. Excellent members facilities IMO. Beckenhams OK - tho Ive never been there on a hot day.

Uxxbridge is the ground I cant stand. That and Billericay.
I was specifically addressing V#1F's remark that HCCC struggle to pull in non-members for CC matches. If you're a member the view from the pavilion is as good as you'll get at any ground, and the members' bar is excellent.

I've never been to Billericay, but Uxbridge is desolate: modern clubhouse in one corner, loose seating scattered around the boundary, and a thundering dual carriageway running just a few yards away with only a hedge to dull the noise of the traffic.

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You can still pay a bit extra to get access to members areas at Hove, sorry PRObiz, cant you? That seems a decent compromise
When I first became a member one of the attractions was being able to use the pavilion, as well as reciprocal use of members' facilities at away grounds. I've pretty much come round to the feeling that membership is a season ticket to watch the matches and if everyone is allowed full access to all facilities it can only help boost attendance figures. (Although I suppose there may also be a minority of old duffers who discontinue their membership in disgust!) At the very least I feel all counties should offer a "day membership" whereby people can pay a couple of quid extra to use members' facilities.
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Not sure if this is still true. Ceratinly up to 2011 at Old Trafford people paying on the gate for Championship matches were charged 5 extra to allow them to use the pavilion. As visiting members from other counties could use the pavilion anayway they could get a reduction by showing their membership cards. Its amazing how many county members didn't know this.
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Not sure if this is still true. Ceratinly up to 2011 at Old Trafford people paying on the gate for Championship matches were charged 5 extra to allow them to use the pavilion. As visiting members from other counties could use the pavilion anayway they could get a reduction by showing their membership cards. Its amazing how many county members didn't know this.
When I went to Old Trafford it was open to anyone (no extra cost), which was great.

Obviously if you're visiting a new ground for the first (and maybe only) time, one of the highlights is to explore the most interesting parts of the ground. Usually the club's heritage, through its exhibits, photos and paintings, are all in the club's pavilion, and clearly this is something I want to be able to see, probably much more than the members for whom it is "just" a part of the furniture.
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In fact, I've detected a relaxing of some of the harsher access rules around the circuit in recent years.
Definitely, I've managed to access a number of supposed members-only areas quite easily over the past couple of years, especially for Championship games. Somerset is still pretty strict though and we met a very officious steward at Horsham last season who wouldn't let us gain any access even when it was chucking it down with rain and with no prospect of play for the rest of the day.

At the other end of the scale, Gloucestershire have a steward on one entrance to the pavilion area but if you're prepared to walk round the ground and go to the opposite entrance there's never a steward there. In fact one of my mates reckons he's been asked to show his membership card a maximum of three times in two seasons at Bristol (at least 20 visits).
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It's actually quite easy to sneak into members' areas at those county clubs that allow spectators onto the outfield during the intervals. You simply leave your public seat at 1:00pm and stroll across the grass to a members' area.
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It's actually quite easy to sneak into members' areas at those county clubs that allow spectators onto the outfield during the intervals. You simply leave your public seat at 1:00pm and stroll across the grass to a members' area.
Tut tut.
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Tut tut.
Thing is, I really don't think many of the members give a hoot. There are maybe some up-their-own-jacksies silly tie wearers who value the exclusivity but I find that, so long as the non-members are civil and there's sufficient seating (like, when isn't there?), the regulars don't feel any inclination to be bothered.
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Thing is, I really don't think many of the members give a hoot. There are maybe some up-their-own-jacksies silly tie wearers who value the exclusivity but I find that, so long as the non-members are civil and there's sufficient seating (like, when isn't there?), the regulars don't feel any inclination to be bothered.
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The only time I quite like having a strict members area is during T20. For the CC, the facilities should be accessible for all.
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The only time I quite like having a strict members area is during T20. For the CC, the facilities should be accessible for all.
I think there's a definite case for that - it just needs a bit of sensible application.

As you say, at busier games members will appreciate a dedicated area - but at these games there are usually wider facilities available for the public, such as more food outlets open.

At The Oval, for example, at CC games in the pavilion there is i) a restaurant ii) a hot food cafe and iii) an indoor bar with a cask beer. The great unwashed, however, have to make do with one desultory kiosk, which runs out of sandwiches if it's a nice day.

Do they think non-members have a smaller appetite, i.e. that of a mouse?
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