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Old 10th February 2013, 13:02   #1
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Declaration bowling banned

According to a small note in this month's Cricketer, the ECB has banned declaration bowling in either innings.
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Old 10th February 2013, 13:20   #2
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Isn't the heavy roller back too? So taking out two of the factors that have helped make the Championship such great fun in recent years.
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Old 10th February 2013, 14:22   #3
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Isn't the heavy roller back too? So taking out two of the factors that have helped make the Championship such great fun in recent years.
Yes, it actually mentioned that in the same snippet.
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Old 10th February 2013, 14:35   #4
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Some will think this is a good thing. I beg to differ.

The last afternoon of the Yorks vs Gloucester championship match at Scarborough was turned from batting practice to a thrilling run chase because of 'declaration bowling'. We'd lost the previous 2 days due to rain. Yes Yorkshire won, but if a Glouc bowler had taken a difficult and bowled from McGrath (Anthony did hit it hard) it would probably have been different. Up about the last 10 minutes all 4 results (Yorks win, Glouc win, draw and even tie) were very possible.
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Old 10th February 2013, 15:49   #5
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It surely just requires a different mindset to make rain-affected games to be contests. No one is saying a team cannot declare to set a target. Why not go into 20/20 batting mode against the main oppo bowlers? Surely it doesn't have to require bowling donkey-drops to have a team throw caution to the wind before declaring to attempt getting a result from an otherwise dead-looking match situation?
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Old 10th February 2013, 16:36   #6
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I don't like declaration bowling because a batsman's 28 ball century under these circumstances doesn't deserve to go in the books.
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Old 10th February 2013, 17:05   #7
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It surely just requires a different mindset to make rain-affected games to be contests. No one is saying a team cannot declare to set a target. Why not go into 20/20 batting mode against the main oppo bowlers? Surely it doesn't have to require bowling donkey-drops to have a team throw caution to the wind before declaring to attempt getting a result from an otherwise dead-looking match situation?
The problem is that declaration bowling is supposed to set up a situation where both teams have an "even" chance of winning.

In the game cited by Dpressed, Yorkshire were 61-2 in reply to Gloucestershire's 215 after days 2 and 3 were wiped out. Yorkshire then declared.

Now as you say, Gloucestershire could certainly have gone on a blitz against the front-line bowlers (as it was they reached 159-0 off 10) - but then supposed they were bowled out for 50? That would backfire massively on them, handing Yorkshire a fairly easy target.

I think the other way to have kept that match alive without declaration bowling would have be to take your suggestion and to apply a different mindset, or at least apply a different declaration scenario - e.g. Gloucestershire could have batted to 120 off 40 overs and then set Yorkshire 275 off 56 overs instead? Or something along those lines...

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How on earth are the umpires to decide what declaration bowling is? Surely, if the ball bounces once, within the recognised 'wide' lines, it's a legitimate delivery? I once watched international legspinner Bryce McGain, when playing for Essex at Canterbury, deliver a right load of old toilet but he was trying his heart out and in fact took 5 wickets. Full tosses, balls heading for second slip, half-pitchers...would he have been ordered off under the new ruling?
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How on earth are the umpires to decide what declaration bowling is? Surely, if the ball bounces once, within the recognised 'wide' lines, it's a legitimate delivery? I once watched international legspinner Bryce McGain, when playing for Essex at Canterbury, deliver a right load of old toilet but he was trying his heart out and in fact took 5 wickets. Full tosses, balls heading for second slip, half-pitchers...would he have been ordered off under the new ruling?
Yes, I thought about that. I guess they would judge that it was a deliberate attempt on the part of the fielding side to allow the batting side to score at will.

If a side(s) attempted to blur the lines - say Kent opened the bowling with Key and Geraint Jones, but they bowled "properly" and the oppo sent in two big hitters, I really don't know what would happen.
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Yes, I thought about that. I guess they would judge that it was a deliberate attempt on the part of the fielding side to allow the batting side to score at will.

If a side(s) attempted to blur the lines - say Kent opened the bowling with Key and Geraint Jones, but they bowled "properly" and the oppo sent in two big hitters, I really don't know what would happen.
Also, think back to somebody like Bishen Bedi giving the ball stacks of air and being quite happy to suffer a succession of big hits in order to secure wickets.

I'm with d'pressed. Outlawing such bowling will do nothing to assist the attractiveness of the game. Several years ago, I was thinking of spending a spare Saturday afternoon at The Oval to see the final day of Surrey v Worcs, a match that had suffered numerous rain delays. I followed the play on the BBC website and learned that Worcs just squeaked past the follow on target - so, to all intents and purposes, the game was dead - absolutely no point in me wasting time travelling over to Kennington.

But, then, I noticed that Smith, Moore and Jaques were bowling and that the Surrey batters were suitably tucking in. A game was in prospect, so I rushed to the station and got to The Oval after lunch. There was another rain delay but the game played out to a thrilling climax, with Worcs winning by 2 wickets off the penultimate ball of the match. Every supporter there had an afternoon they'll never forget, Surrey got at least £10 more on the gate than they might have done, and the win ultimately helped Worcs get promoted a few months later. Under the new rules, that game would have been dead by 2pm, and been played out half-heartedly in front of an increasingly dwindling crowd.
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What santion do the umpries actually have if say Essex bring on Tim Phillips to bowl his collection of long-hops and full tosses? Do they no-ball him? Do they award penalty runs? Do they ban Fozzie again?
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What santion do the umpries actually have if say Essex bring on Tim Phillips to bowl his collection of long-hops and full tosses? Do they no-ball him? Do they award penalty runs? Do they ban Fozzie again?
Good question. Assuming the no ball and penalty run awards will be seen through as counterproductive by those clever ECB wonks, perhaps they might go for public flogging of Goochie's love child.
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With you two being the previous two posters on this issue, I'm amazed you didn't have the chance to have a dig at me and say that it should probably bring my club career to a halt!
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A step backwards for me this. When County Cricket can't really afford to be doing so. Declaration bowling I'm sure was more prominent when matches were only 3 days long. Nothing is perfect, we would all love 4 full days of cricket guaranteed for all games, all season. But that ain't going to happen and I believe the opportunity for captains to agree to some kind of truncated but fair game instead, using declaration bowling, is an important aspect of the CC.
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A step backwards for me this. When County Cricket can't really afford to be doing so. Declaration bowling I'm sure was more prominent when matches were only 3 days long. Nothing is perfect, we would all love 4 full days of cricket guaranteed for all games, all season. But that ain't going to happen and I believe the opportunity for captains to agree to some kind of truncated but fair game instead, using declaration bowling, is an important aspect of the CC.
Only 3 days long, on covered pitches. Interestingly, although CC matches are now a full day longer than, say, 35 years ago, that only really equates to an extra 40 to 50 overs across the match, given that modern sides struggle even to bowl 96 overs on time.

But I agree entirely, Pet. One of the joys of first-class cricket is the myriad possibilities that can unfold on the field. Setting up a chase is one of these...and to be fair, I've played in club games where free runs have been given just to force the batting side to get a ruddy move on and make a game of it.

As for the earlier point about 28-ball centuries messing up the records, I also agree, but Wisden has for some years now excluded such feats from its official stats - every cricket fan knows that the fastest legitimate first-class hundred remains that scored by Percy Fender in 1920.
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I mentioned this on another forum , and someone said " Does this mean an end to Jade Dernbach's career"

Does anyone know the particular reason for this ? I cannot see that it has been a problem since the end of three day cricket. Although the number of overs bowled has not significantly increased , in three day cricket teams would often declare at say 360-6, rather than continue to say 450 all out. in the first scenario team B could be 280 all out , but win the game on declarations , whereas in the second scenario they would have to follow on and would most likely lose.

Four day cricket has made a massive difference to the game , and by banning a tiny part of the tactics of it seems quite pointless .
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I mentioned this on another forum , and someone said " Does this mean an end to Jade Dernbach's career"

Does anyone know the particular reason for this ? I cannot see that it has been a problem since the end of three day cricket. Although the number of overs bowled has not significantly increased , in three day cricket teams would often declare at say 360-6, rather than continue to say 450 all out. in the first scenario team B could be 280 all out , but win the game on declarations , whereas in the second scenario they would have to follow on and would most likely lose.

Four day cricket has made a massive difference to the game , and by banning a tiny part of the tactics of it seems quite pointless .

There certainly don't seem to have been anywhere near so many instances as in the 1980s, when full covering of pitches made it difficult to get results in three days. You're right - declaration bowling used to be a feature of the CC because of this, whereas such instances today are very usually due to rain ripping out a large chunk of the match. So, the ruling is effectively saying to counties "if there's been a load of time lost in the match, then just go through the motions and play out a tediously pointless draw, and sorry about the spectators that you might lose because of this."
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There's no reason a match can't be kept alive without declaration bowling - but declaration bowling helps offer some "balance" by giving the fielding side enough overs to bowl the oppo out - which requires to quickly up the required target.

Usually the last day goes through the motions simply because the batting side won't declare if they are, say 200 ahead with 25 overs of the game left, as it's felt they have nothing to gain and everything to lose.

But the side chasing a target still usually holds the best cards (IMHO) even with declaration bowling setting up a chase (let's say of 370 off 80 or whatever) because only they can decide whether and when to pursue the chase or give up and bat out a draw - naturally, the fielding side can never make this decision.
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Declaration bowling cost me a Chinese takeaway. You may wonder how but it is obvious.....

A friend and I play telegraph fantasy cricket. It was going down to the wire with just a few points between us. Then my batsman came on to bowl while his batsman smashed runs. I lost by less than 100 points which were all down to this. Gutted.

It was some years ago now but better late than never for the ban.
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I am not going to mention how declaration bowling cost Somerset the title either. Just that it did.
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